Klytus Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by ChaosDrgn Since the advent of Hypertime thiere is no longer a true continuity or timeline Exactly! God that pisses me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Watts Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 To get back to the original post, the Secret Crisis really did happen in my Golden Age campaign, allowing the players to spend a few sessions playing characters from throughout history (it was actually a sequel to an earlier story, where the heroes traveled forwards in time and met their descendants in the Silver Age, who went on to become the Fabulous Five and the Sentinels in current continuity.) Among the characters who appeared in that story as time-lost "superheroes" were Godzilla, Steve Austin, Dr. Who, the Lensmen, Kwai Chang Caine, Sherlock Holmes, the Lone Ranger, several Phantoms and the various superpowered members of KISS. dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Darren Watts To get back to the original post, the Secret Crisis really did happen in my Golden Age campaign, allowing the players to spend a few sessions playing characters from throughout history (it was actually a sequel to an earlier story, where the heroes traveled forwards in time and met their descendants in the Silver Age, who went on to become the Fabulous Five and the Sentinels in current continuity.) Among the characters who appeared in that story as time-lost "superheroes" were Godzilla, Steve Austin, Dr. Who, the Lensmen, Kwai Chang Caine, Sherlock Holmes, the Lone Ranger, several Phantoms and the various superpowered members of KISS. dw That sounds really cool Darren! Any chance we could see some of the stats you used for these guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Bazza Amen to that. I'm about 6 issues behind reading Thor, funny that, eh? Not funny to me, the way they seem to be butchering Thor's character at the moment I probably wouldn't be keeping up either, if I collected it. Wouldn't it be nice if they recalled continuity and ended this storyline by having Thor and the Asgardians needing to swallow thier pride and rely on Katie Power to save thier collective behinds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Sketchpad You know ... I really hope that Morrison never touches another super-hero book again. Give the JLA to Ron Marz or Mark Waid They write better stories IMHO Or have Jeph Loeb take it on for a bit ... Geoff Johns. Geoff Johns. Geoff Johns. That would be sweet. Or now that his health is improved, give Busiek a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrayPumpkin Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 You know ... I really hope that Morrison never touches another super-hero book again. Give the JLA to Ron Marz or Mark Waid They write better stories IMHO Or have Jeph Loeb take it on for a bit ... Thankfully your hope will go answered. IMHO Grant Morrison is one of the best things to happen to comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 I and another GM did a big crossover crisis thing. We had a whole "dimensional destruction" plotline. We ran it for about 4 months. Our two champs campaigns were running concurrently (he'd do a plot, I'd do one), and the characters were fairly closes in power... not exactly but close enough. So I took some GM PCs into his world, along with some of the players doing same, and characters from his ended up in mine. On my side of the overplot I had all sorts of dimensional problems around, and had published characters drop in. During the chat session after the game, I very carefully steered the conversation to favorite superheroes. I then wrote up who everyone's favorite superhero was, and in the next session near the end, introduced those particular heroes into my world for the adventure. I then handed out the character sheets, and said "Here you get to play these guys for a couple of sessions". Everyone was surprised, and it went over very well, and a great time was had by all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by GrayPumpkin Thankfully your hope will go answered. IMHO Grant Morrison is one of the best things to happen to comics. Morrison's JLA and Astro City is what got me back into comics after a decade long disust at the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Confoundo Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Agent X Ummm, what about the horror that is/was Hawkman/Hawkgod in the backwash of the Crisis? The Crisis didn't clean up a mess. It created one. It wasn't Crisis that caused the problems with Hawkman. It was when editorial decided to make the Tim Truman/John Ostrander 'Hawkworld' series happen in the present. Had they gone with what they initially intended, and had it shown Katar and Shiera's adventures on Thanagar which took place before the two of them showed up on Earth, it would have been fine. Instead, editors thought the readers would be confused by the time difference, and placed in (then) current continuity. Unfortunately, that meant that the Hawkman and Hawkgirl in early JLA stories couldn't be the pair from Thanagar, and everything unraveled from there. So it was actually editorial shenanigans that are to blame, not he Crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Dr. Confoundo It wasn't Crisis that caused the problems with Hawkman. It was when editorial decided to make the Tim Truman/John Ostrander 'Hawkworld' series happen in the present. Had they gone with what they initially intended, and had it shown Katar and Shiera's adventures on Thanagar which took place before the two of them showed up on Earth, it would have been fine. Instead, editors thought the readers would be confused by the time difference, and placed in (then) current continuity. And all this is really sad, because the 'Hawkworld' series was really, really cool. A very fine Science Fiction series. Perhaps it might have been best left outside continuity entirely. Maybe the Hypertime idea, where continuity is "flexible" isn't so bad an idea after all. One of these days I might build a Hawkworld series Thanagarian... Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Dr. Confoundo It wasn't Crisis that caused the problems with Hawkman. It was when editorial decided to make the Tim Truman/John Ostrander 'Hawkworld' series happen in the present. Had they gone with what they initially intended, and had it shown Katar and Shiera's adventures on Thanagar which took place before the two of them showed up on Earth, it would have been fine. Instead, editors thought the readers would be confused by the time difference, and placed in (then) current continuity. Unfortunately, that meant that the Hawkman and Hawkgirl in early JLA stories couldn't be the pair from Thanagar, and everything unraveled from there. So it was actually editorial shenanigans that are to blame, not he Crisis. Cool. I do have a question: Who was confused by multiple Earths? I had no problem with it when I was 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Schtroumpf Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Agent X A team-up between Byrne and Claremont might not be so bad if they bring in Jim Shooter to ride roughshod over them like he did when they were on the Uncanny X-Men. Hell, bring in Shooter to do the book. Wouldn't mind seeing him run a comic company again either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Escafarc Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Le Schtroumpf Hell, bring in Shooter to do the book. Wouldn't mind seeing him run a comic company again either. I would love for him to take over LSH, after all he created some of the best Legionares when he was only 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckB Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by Sketchpad You know ... I really hope that Morrison never touches another super-hero book again. Give the JLA to Ron Marz or Mark Waid They write better stories IMHO Or have Jeph Loeb take it on for a bit ... Check out Morrisson's "Earth 2" , very entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zarglif69 Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by Lord Mhoram Morrison's JLA and Astro City is what got me back into comics after a decade long disust at the industry. Hey, I agree. I'm not much of a comics fan, but I love Astro City. In fact, AC is what inspired me to play Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by ChuckB Check out Morrisson's "Earth 2" , very entertaining. I have it ... and I think it's the only story that I've ever liked from Morrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 When did Morrison do AC? I thought that was Kurt Busiek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by Sketchpad When did Morrison do AC? I thought that was Kurt Busiek? I think what he meant was that stories by Morrison AND Kurt Busiek's Astro City where what got him back into comics again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcholmes Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by Le Schtroumpf Hell, bring in Shooter to do the book. Wouldn't mind seeing him run a comic company again either. Shooter's run on the Avengers... especially around the whole "Trial of Henry Pym"... is probably one of my favourite periods of that book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcholmes Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by Sketchpad I have it ... and I think it's the only story that I've ever liked from Morrison Wow. My mileage varies. I thought Earth-2 wasn't up to par for Morrison. But, in my mind, nothing beats his run on Animal Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Originally posted by Twilight I think what he meant was that stories by Morrison AND Kurt Busiek's Astro City where what got him back into comics again. Thats exactly it. Morrison in the JLA were the huge massive epics that superheroes should be doing, and Astro City was all of the little characterization and color that makes comics come alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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