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Frankly' date=' Vader's too smart not to find some way to take care of Hulk.[/quote']Really? Can you name three intelligent things Darth Vader did in the films? I'll even give you that ultimately turning against the Emperor was one. Are there two more?

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Vader?

 

Sorry, I have to step in here.

 

Anakin Skywalker built robots and land-speeders from junk as a pre-teen slave. He was a technical wizard of the first order, whose understanding of Galaxy-spanning ships and planet-smashing weapons rivals that of the greatest engineers of the Old Republic.

 

He's more than just a telekinetic boy with shiny gadgets. He's either at least as bright as Banner, or nearly as bright and with access to incomparably more advanced science.

 

But Hulk? World War Hulk version? Banner's mind in Hulk's body version? Grey Hulk/Joe Fix version? You'd have to go back to original grey for this to even be a close match as a fight. At most levels, Vader might not even be noticed for more than a panel or two.

 

Conceivably, as a writer's contrivance, Vader could put Hulk on the ropes for a while, but that's about as close as it gets.

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Really? Can you name three intelligent things Darth Vader did in the films? I'll even give you that ultimately turning against the Emperor was one. Are there two more?

In ESB he found the rebel base and suckered Luke into a trap.

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In ESB he found the rebel base and suckered Luke into a trap.

 

A probe droid found the rebel base, Vader simply took credit. You'd have a point with the trap, had said trap succeeded in nabbing Luke.

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The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.

 

Vader's in big trouble, if Hulk meets Jar Jar Binks on the way to the fight.

 

I question if Hulk actually has enough IQ to find Jar Jar annoying. And it is not like Jar Jar is likely to whomp him hard enough to be considered an enemy (except maybe by accident - a MAJOR accident, at that!). After all, JJB is about as pathetically goofy and incompetent as a biped could possibly get - and STILL be able to walk (semi)upright. Which is probably why he ended up as a Senator in the Old Republic.

 

Been numerous instances where the Hulk has chosen to befriend especially pathetic / goofy / incompetent beings instead of whaling on them. An encounter with Binks would probably go on similar lines, since Hulk is probably one of the rare individuals who actuallys think JJB is funny.

 

Upon consideration, that is a scary scary idea for a team-up.

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Vader could, in theory, take out a Pre-World War Hulk from orbit with a Force Choke. That trick won't work anymore and Vader probably wouldn't be smart enough to try it anyhow. Beyond that, I can't think of anything he did in any of the films that would seriously injure the Hulk. He's just not that powerful compared to the opponents that the Hulk has demolished in the past

 

Now Starkiller might have stood a chance... ;)

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Vader could' date=' in theory, take out a Pre-World War Hulk from orbit with a Force Choke.[/quote']

 

I doubt this would have worked. We never saw Vader use Force Choke on anyone through a view screen or otherwise at a significant distance in the films; we also never saw him using it to kill any of the rebel leaders at a distance. Unless we're treating the books as cannon, there's no reason to think he could.

 

If we're going to allow sniper killings, then Smart Hulk builds a (fill in silly Marvel Ultimate Weapon here) and wipes out whatever ship Vader happens to be on while Vader is busy [CENSORED] to Wookie porn.

 

From a story point of view, Vader exists to have his butt handed to him by a young Obi, then by Luke, and finally to be fatally injured by the emperor. He lives to lose. The Hulk is the Hero, and like most Marvel Superheroes he usually won in the Silver and Bronze ages and always survives; he lives to win (or, in the Iron Age, to alternately win and be Worfed). No reason there to think Vader has any chance.

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I doubt this would have worked. We never saw Vader use Force Choke on anyone through a view screen or otherwise at a significant distance in the films; we also never saw him using it to kill any of the rebel leaders at a distance. Unless we're treating the books as cannon, there's no reason to think he could.

 

 

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Actually, I have to disagree with you right here. In ESB, Vader Force-chokes Admiral Ozzell (sp?) while talking to him on a view-screen. Yes, they were on the same ship, but on a SSD, they could still be far apart. But he does seem to need to be able to see his target, even if it's only on a screen.

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Actually, I have to disagree with you right here. In ESB, Vader Force-chokes Admiral Ozzell (sp?) while talking to him on a view-screen. Yes, they were on the same ship, but on a SSD, they could still be far apart. But he does seem to need to be able to see his target, even if it's only on a screen.

 

Ozzel.

 

That's exactly what I was thinking of and why I said "in theory".

 

No idea what kind of range he has on that stunt honestly.

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I doubt this would have worked. We never saw Vader use Force Choke on anyone through a view screen or otherwise at a significant distance in the films;

 

Empire Strikes back, 23:30. Just after General Covell tells Vader about the shields protecting the Rebel base on Hoth, we have the following scene.

 

Vader's chair turns away from the camera toa large viewscreen. Viewscreen activates, showing Admirals Ozzel and Piet. Ozzel turns to face the viewscreen pickup and says, "Vader, the fleet has moved out of lightspeed and we are preparing to awk!"

 

"You have failed me for the last time, Admiral."

 

And given that the Super class Star Destroyers were measured in kilometers, we are likely looking at a good, long range there.

 

we also never saw him using it to kill any of the rebel leaders at a distance. Unless we're treating the books as cannon, there's no reason to think he could.

 

If we're going to allow sniper killings, then Smart Hulk builds a (fill in silly Marvel Ultimate Weapon here) and wipes out whatever ship Vader happens to be on while Vader is busy [CENSORED] to Wookie porn.

 

From a story point of view, Vader exists to have his butt handed to him by a young Obi, then by Luke, and finally to be fatally injured by the emperor. He lives to lose. The Hulk is the Hero, and like most Marvel Superheroes he usually won in the Silver and Bronze ages and always survives; he lives to win (or, in the Iron Age, to alternately win and be Worfed). No reason there to think Vader has any chance.

 

As much as I want Vader to win this, I've got to agree with you here though. I think Vader is the Coolest Villian Ever - even Khan Noonian Singh takes second place to Vader (at least before taking the prequels into account - man were they disappointing). But the Hulk, however boring, is still a hero, and a powerhouse hero to boot. And the heros always win. :rolleyes:

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Really it's an unfair matchup for Vader, as all his best tricks really don't work that well against somebody like the Hulk. For a more interesting matchup you'd really need to pair him up against somebody else.

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Anakin Skywalker built robots and land-speeders from junk as a pre-teen slave. He was a technical wizard of the first order, whose understanding of Galaxy-spanning ships and planet-smashing weapons rivals that of the greatest engineers of the Old Republic.

 

He's more than just a telekinetic boy with shiny gadgets. He's either at least as bright as Banner, or nearly as bright and with access to incomparably more advanced science.

Yes, Anakin Skywalker was very intelligent. But really... how often do we ever see that intelligence manifested after he becomes Darth Vader? By my count so far, one.

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Yes' date=' [b']Anakin Skywalker[/b] was very intelligent. But really... how often do we ever see that intelligence manifested after he becomes Darth Vader? By my count so far, one.

 

After he became Vader he seemed almost as rage feuled as the Hulk, only more articulate and in marginally better control of himself.

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A probe droid found the rebel base' date=' Vader simply took credit.[/quote']

 

They sent probe droids all over the galaxy. The Imperial officers dismissed the Hoth data but Vader knew it was the target. Of course you could argue that was Force-based intuition, not innate intuition. Not sure where you draw the line there.

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They sent probe droids all over the galaxy. The Imperial officers dismissed the Hoth data but Vader knew it was the target. Of course you could argue that was Force-based intuition' date=' not innate intuition. Not sure where you draw the line there.[/quote']

 

Fair enough. I personally think it was the Force thing myself but that's just my opinion.

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The story of Vader.. all that young promise and potential, turned into a mad dog on a leash by his own rage.

 

The story of Hulk.. all that promise and potential, freed from the leash of his military masters by his own rage.

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But the Hulk' date=' however boring, is still a hero, and a powerhouse hero to boot. And the heros always win. :rolleyes:[/quote']

 

I've never seen the Hulk as a hero. There's really nothign heroic about him..nor Banner, for that matter in a consistant fashion.

 

Really, Hulk is one of the characters I wish Marvel had killed off. Nothing would be missed about that.

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After he became Vader he seemed almost as rage feuled as the Hulk' date=' only more articulate and in marginally better control of himself.[/quote']

 

Do you blame him? If you were burnt to a crisp and imprisoned inside a suit that cut you off almost completely from the rest of the world, not to mention losing your wife and kid when the whole reason you turned dark in the first place was to save them, wouldn't you be p***ed off, too?

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Been thinking about it some more.

 

OK, the Hulk is not totally indestructible, but he comes a heckuva lot closer to it than Vader. Vader has some nifty tricks, but nothing in his personal arsenal that is likely to do than annoy Big Green (or whatever ####ed colour he is supposed to be THIS month!). Furthermore, Vader tends to make bad decisions - even by Evil Overlord standards.

 

So, in a straight-out pounding match, I would expect Incredible H to (eventually) turn Darth V into atomized spam-in-a-can. Darth might do a lot of impressive dodges but, eventually, Hulkie will get so derned ANGRY that it won't much matter where Darth happens to be - if he is on the same tectonic plate, or even the same planet, he is in big trouble.

 

However, it occurs to me that some super-villains facing the Hulk are a lot more circumspect in their dealings. They throw minions, robots and/or illusions at him; get his measure; possibly wear him down (a little); and then make their move. The smarter ones pretend to be Hulk's friend, and then steer him into pounding on somebody else (usually a Good Guy).

 

Now, this level of deviousness may be beyond Darth Vader (MAYBE). An aside here: it would be quite in charecter for his master. But the real point I would like to make is that. if DV was converted into Hero system stats, allowance would have to be made for the extremely large organization he is part of (the Empire). Which means a buttload of agents, probe droids, star destroyers, TIE fighters, walkers and mostly expendable stormtroopers - and arguably a whole lot of other stuff besides.

 

OK, unlikely that most of these will be able to do much, but at least they can serve to give Darth Vader an idea of what they are facing before he jumps in to get his own clock cleaned. There is also the possibility that his resources might include a Mad Scientist or Oddball Weapon that possibly can achieve something. Yes, that is out of the scope of a classic face-off (which is what most people here are talking about), but still something to consider.

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I've never seen the Hulk as a hero. There's really nothign heroic about him..nor Banner' date=' for that matter in a consistant fashion.[/quote']

 

You haven't read much Hulk, I take it?

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