Lucius Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 First of all, yeah, I finally broke down and got Hero Designer. I understand it's written to try to prevent absurd combinations. But I found that it's possible to put Ranged on Stretching. That would make sense if it were, for example, Usable By Others, but it didn't require the purchase of such an Advantage before buying Range. So - what the heck does that mean? I like to think I can usually see some kind of use or meaning in even very strange combos, but this one puzzles me. I'm not sure what is intended by allowing a combination like this. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary is still chewing on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjcurrie Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range First of all, yeah, I finally broke down and got Hero Designer. I understand it's written to try to prevent absurd combinations. But I found that it's possible to put Ranged on Stretching. That would make sense if it were, for example, Usable By Others, but it didn't require the purchase of such an Advantage before buying Range. So - what the heck does that mean? I like to think I can usually see some kind of use or meaning in even very strange combos, but this one puzzles me. I'm not sure what is intended by allowing a combination like this. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary is still chewing on it Have you considered that Hero Designer could be wrong in allowing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberry Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range To me it would mean that you could start your stretch at a point at range and then stretch from that point. Stretching is already indirect by nature, unless it's Limited to only straight lines. I'd say buy TK or EB-Indirect to model that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Have you considered that Hero Designer could be wrong in allowing it? In other words, that it's nonsense and doesn't mean anything at all? Maybe you're right. To me it would mean that you could start your stretch at a point at range and then stretch from that point. Stretching is already indirect by nature, unless it's Limited to only straight lines. I'd say buy TK or EB-Indirect to model that. Sort of like the way Stretching can be bought "Does not cross intervening space" except that the member being Stretched DOES cross some intervening space....but doesn't cross the space between the character and whatever point within Range the character chooses for the Stretching to "start" at? That's the only suggestion I've seen yet that makes some kind of sense (except rjcurrie's of course, he may be right that it's purely an oversight that the program allows it.) It just looks a bit strange to me, and I have high standards for strange. I'm perfectly willing for example to, as part of a gravity control power set, buy Swinging Megascale and go literally swing on a star..... Lucius Alexander For me the palindromedary counts as "normal" which is probably all I need say to make the point that I have high standards for "strange." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range First and foremost, the software is a tool. It is not meant to replace common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Well, I have the Official :hex:Answer now. Stretching is a Self Only power. As stated on 5ER 267, the Ranged Advantage is for No Range powers. If you want to put it on Stretching, I can't stop you, but you're gonna have to come up with your own rules. I guess I thought I was overlooking something. I suppose if, for some reason, I wanted Stretching that passed through some intervening space but not all, I could still use Blackberry's idea - maybe. Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Usable as Attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilFleischmann Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range First and foremost' date=' the software is a tool. It is not meant to replace common sense.[/quote'] Exactly. A software tool and a computer do not relieve you of the responsibility to use your brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Well, they can, but nobody accepts that excuse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Well, I have the Official :hex:Answer now. I guess I thought I was overlooking something. I suppose if, for some reason, I wanted Stretching that passed through some intervening space but not all, I could still use Blackberry's idea - maybe. Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Usable as Attack It makes it easier if you think of Stretching as an 'Adder' to STR. Range would only be appropriate to add to a base ability - like STR - except that there is a specific rule against using it on STR. I built a form of Stretching that passes through 'some intervening space' on this thread. look for the Acme Gate slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range One reason Range might be an option in HD is because you can add Usable On Others to Self Only Powers. Adding Ranged would then negate the need to touch the person you were granting the Stretching ability to. I think it's extremely rude to imply that Lucius is not using common sense, or his brain. He saw a possibility for a build he had never considered, and asked what everyone thought about it. The fact that the idea came from HD is immaterial. Common sense would dictate that after finding that the software allows a build you don’t understand, you’d ask about it, rather than dismiss it out of hand. He could have completely ignored it, but then he’d be risking missing something that he simply hadn’t thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilFleischmann Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range I think it's extremely rude to imply that Lucius is not using common sense' date=' or his brain.[/quote'] No one implied that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range No one implied that. It could be inferred. But I have a higher opinion of most people on the Hero Boards than to think anyone would be trying to say that. I did think of Usable by Other, but I've also already noticed that Hero Designer tends to turn options on and off according to other options taken, so I thought there might be some application I didn't understand. I can have embarrasing blind spots sometimes. Lucius Alexander What palindromedary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range I have a higher opinion of the average poster here than a lot of the other places I frequent on the net. And no insult was intended nor were any penguins harmed in these posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range ....nor were any penguins harmed in these posts... Until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilFleischmann Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range I have a higher opinion of the average poster here than a lot of the other places I frequent on the net. And no insult was intended nor were any penguins harmed in these posts... Speak for yourself. I deliberately tortured three penguins while writing my last post. They're fine now, but they'll think twice before trying to sleep with my wife again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Well, I have the Official Answer now. Originally Posted by Steve Long Stretching is a Self Only power. As stated on 5ER 267, the Ranged Advantage is for No Range powers. If you want to put it on Stretching, I can't stop you, but you're gonna have to come up with your own rules. I guess I thought I was overlooking something. I suppose if, for some reason, I wanted Stretching that passed through some intervening space but not all, I could still use Blackberry's idea - maybe. Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Usable as Attack I'm pretty sure Steve could stop us putting range on stretching. He just writes, "New Rule: you can't put 'ranged' on self only powers including stretching", and uses his Cosmic Omni Rod to tell Ben or someone to change Hero Designer. Now: area effect stretching... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Stretching is more fun with MegaScale and Autofire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilFleischmann Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range I'm pretty sure Steve could stop us putting range on stretching. I'm pretty sure he couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Stretching is more fun with MegaScale and Autofire. New Question: What effect does Autofire have on Stretching? Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wonders what next, Autofire on Running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range New Question: What effect does Autofire have on Stretching? Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wonders what next, Autofire on Running? You get to dance like my dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range I'm pretty sure he couldn't. Are you questioning the Longian Supremacy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range You get to dance like my dad. You made me laugh, but I just reputized you for something else. Okay, what does Autofire on Stretching do, besides let you impersonate the elder Mr. Waters? Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wants to meet this family..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekkidcarpenter Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Until now. What's the maximum amount of time you can play this without being a deviant? Not that I spent half an hour batting penguins or anything....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkmate Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range The thing to remember about Hero Designer (not to get off topic of Penguin battering or anything) is that it only prohibits what is expressly illegal. If the rules doesn't say you can't do it, it will let you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Stretching at Range Until now. Oh, he's fine. Just look at the smile he gives when he stops. And he goes on to have other adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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