Reality Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have this idea for a power: A young mutant with a Sonic special effect that has only learned one power so far: a sonic-boom kind of power. She wants to be able to focus the power along a line, but due to the nature of sonics, the sound wave spreads out from the central point of emission even when she focuses the power. In my head, I see Area of Effect: Line, with Area of Effect: Cone overlapping it, and Area of Effect: Radius overlapping them both. In my head, the AoE: Line has the greatest power, the AoE: Cone less power, and the AoE: Radius the least power. I do not want the areas of overlap to have combined dice of damage, and I want the diminishing power of the AoE to also reflect diminishing range. I have attached a diagram of the power's effect below. Can I do this as three AoE Advantages on one Blast, or do I need to build this as a Compound Power? [ATTACH]32976[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearghus Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Buy it as two linked energy blasts... the first with AOE: Line the second with AOE: Cone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. The AOE Radius could be a side effect that always occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. It sounds a lot like a series of Linked Blasts, each diminished in level, with a custom Limitation: Not in Area Occupied by Line (for the cone) and Not in Area Occupied by Line or Cone (for the radius). Probably worth -1/4 or so each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Samson Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. It's not perfect, but for simplicity I might go with Area Of Effect (Any Area, Fixed Shape) (6e1,321) and Reduced by Range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Personally I'd go with the AOE: Line, and let the other two be Side Effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Carman Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. It might be done as a Cone with a custom Limitation for an Explosion-like dropoff effect: the hexes at the center of the cone get full effect and the farther from the center, the weaker the blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panpiper Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. My opinion; Compound power, with linked on the side effects. The effects 'would' stack as it makes sense that the power would get stronger the closer you are to the source. Make the linked powers relatively small effects so the primary line effect can still have most of the games maximum power. In truth were I the GM, I would probably allow you to exceed the games DC limit by the value at least of the circular area effect, simply because it is as much of a disadvantage as it is an advantage (blow out windows, inflict pain on normals, etc.). And if you want to stand right next to the enemy tank in order to get the extra DC or two, well, I'd have no problem with that were I the GM. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naanomi Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. I would just call it a custom AoE, comparable to a slightly bigger cone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. OR this: AoE:Line; AoE:Cone,Explosion; AoE:Radius,Explosion; No Range all on the same power. I might possibly let you buy AoE multiple times on the same power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. The only way I can see this working is: 5D6 AoE: Radius, Explosion (not in cone or line areas, +1/4; linked - only when Line area EB used, +1/2; no range, +1/2) 9D6 AoE: Cone, Explosion (not in line area, +1/4; linked - only when Line area EB used, +1/2; no range, +1/2) 13D6 AoE: Line (no range, +1/2) The leaks can be useful but the linked is there because it will have drawbacks in its use - people and scenery will suffer if it gets used...but it should cost more than the basic line attack as it will have its uses. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Am I the only one to immediately think of "wind" attacks after reading the thread title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Am I the only one to immediately think of "wind" attacks after reading the thread title? The first thing I thought of was an episode of Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends where the Beetle got his electro-stings so juiced up that, to quote Spider-Man, "He even hits you when he misses!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Thank you all for your insights. You've given me several options to experiment with. By the way, I presume that the character should buy the power with Personal Immunity, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. or Hole in the Middle on the Radius. Either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. If he does a Line and Cone both, but has the Circumference AoE be Side Effect (assuming he can't intentionally use it aggressively) would he still need Personal Immunity or Hole in the Middle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. If he does a Line and Cone both' date=' but has the Circumference AoE be Side Effect (assuming he can't intentionally use it aggressively) would he still need Personal Immunity or Hole in the Middle?[/quote'] Side effects are a disad. I suspect it wouldrequire personal immunity AND GM sayso for it side effects to be used in this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oruncrest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. My suggestion would be to use a compound power consisting of the Line attack (which we'll call the 'Sonic Straight') and two linked naked advantages ('Conic Leak' and 'Radial Leak' respectively). For 5th Edition: 65 Sonic... BOOM!: Compound Power, 91pts Active Cost, 65 pts Real Cost (1) Sonic Straight: 7D6 EB; AOE: 18" Line, Personal Immunity; No Range; AC:79; RC 53; END Cost 8 (2) Conic Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: Cone, +1/2) replaces line for 5D6 of Sonic Straight (8 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight; AC:8; RC:8; END Cost 0 (3) Radial Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: Radius,+ 1/2) replaces line for 3D6 of Sonic Straight (4 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight; AC: RC:4; END Cost 0 For 6th Edition: 61 Sonic... BOOM!: Compound Power, 88pts Active Cost, 61 pts Real Cost (1) Sonic Straight: 8D6 EB; AOE: 18" Line (+3/4), Personal Immunity (+1/4); No Range; AC:68; RC 45; END Cost 7 (2) Conic Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: 12m Cone, +1/4) replaces line for 6D6 of Sonic Straight (8 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight; AC:5; RC:5; END Cost 0 (3) Radial Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: 8m Radius, + 1/4) replaces line for 4D6 of Sonic Straight (4 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight; AC:3; RC:3; END Cost 0 Both of the above are assuming that the OP wants thw 'Sonic Straight' to have a line advantage instead of being a simple EB. If a 'Sonic Straight' is the latter than the former, then the builds become: 5th Ed: 58 Sonic... BOOM!: Compound Power, 75pts Active Cost, 58 pts Real Cost (1) Sonic Straight: 8D6 EB; Personal Immunity; Reduced by Range; AC:50; RC 40; END Cost 5 (2) Conic Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: Cone, +1/2) for 6D6 of Sonic Straight (15 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight, No Range; AC:15; RC:11; END Cost 0 (3) Radial Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: Radius,+ 1/2) for 4D6 of Sonic Straight (10 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight, No Range; AC:10; RC:7; END Cost 0 6th Ed: 55 Sonic... BOOM!: Compound Power, 60pts Active Cost, 55 pts Real Cost (1) Sonic Straight: 8D6 EB; Personal Immunity; Reduced by Range; AC:56; RC 45; END Cost 8 (2) Conic Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: 16m Cone, +1/4) for 7D6 of Sonic Straight (8 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight, No Range; AC:12; RC:6; END Cost 0 (3) Radial Leak: Naked Advantage (Explosion: 12m Radius, + 1/4) for 5D6 of Sonic Straight (6 pts Base); 0 END; Jointly Linked to Sonic Straight, No Range; AC:9; RC:4; END Cost 0 Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Side effects are a disad. I suspect it wouldrequire personal immunity AND GM sayso for it side effects to be used in this way. Actually, Side Effect is a Limitation AND one of the Side Effect options is "Only Affects the Environment Near the Character". That and at least one other person already mentioned it, so I don't think it's way out of left field... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Actually' date=' Side Effect is a [i']Limitation[/i] AND one of the Side Effect options is "Only Affects the Environment Near the Character". That and at least one other person already mentioned it, so I don't think it's way out of left field... The only question is what "environment" is limited to. Does that mean the stret is torn up, the innocent bystandars are fried (perhaps they are also "environment") but the invisible enemy who happens to be in the arc of fire takes no damage? To me, if you buy this as a Side Effect, you are telling the GM "I want my character to suffer difficulties as a consequence of this aspect of his power". If points are paid for it, you are telling the GM "I want my character to benefit as a consequence of this aspect of his power". By accepting either build, the GM contracts that he will ensure the desired result will be achieved. That's not to say there could never be detriumental effects if you pay points, or benefits if you take a limitation, but that the manner in which you build the ability will dictate how the ability generally interacts with the game world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Re: Blasts that leak power out the sides. Hugh, I don't disagree with that at all. All I asked was if the circle part was done as a Side Effect and not AoE would they still need Personal Immunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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