Badger Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I came across the name recently which put my interest in the legend of him coming to America in 1170. I was wondering if anybody knew where I could find info on the legend (and any other legends of people travelling to America). Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibear Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Erik the Red was the viking who landed in New Foundland wasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc No, that was Leif the Lucky. Erik was his dad and discovered Grenland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Point of order: Erik the Red did not discover Greenland. Once you get to Iceland, you've discovered Greenland. What he discovered was farming country on Greenland. And it is somewhat open to question whether he is the actual single discoverer, or just the guy who gets the credit. That's the kind of thing that happens with two-centuries old oral histories. In almost every case where archaeologists have pursued the issue, "Viking" settlement predates the traditional foundation story by a generation or two, and there's a whole group of Norse settlements on Greenland that are ill-accounted for by the Erik the Red story. Karin Seaver's well-known book covers the bases. As for the Prince Madoc story, bear in mind that most of the fishers who pioneered the English Newfoundland trade came from Devon, Cornwall, and Bristol, for very good reasons back in the sailing days. Take a look at where these places are on the map, and note what languages were spoken there. There is something behind the Madoc story, but it is very unlikely that any Welsh princes crossed the Atlantic in the 1100s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Point of order: Erik the Red did not discover Greenland. Once you get to Iceland, you've discovered Greenland. What he discovered was farming country on Greenland. And it is somewhat open to question whether he is the actual single discoverer, or just the guy who gets the credit. That's the kind of thing that happens with two-centuries old oral histories. In almost every case where archaeologists have pursued the issue, "Viking" settlement predates the traditional foundation story by a generation or two, and there's a whole group of Norse settlements on Greenland that are ill-accounted for by the Erik the Red story. Karin Seaver's well-known book covers the bases. As for the Prince Madoc story, bear in mind that most of the fishers who pioneered the English Newfoundland trade came from Devon, Cornwall, and Bristol, for very good reasons back in the sailing days. Take a look at where these places are on the map, and note what languages were spoken there. There is something behind the Madoc story, but it is very unlikely that any Welsh princes crossed the Atlantic in the 1100s. Well, yes, I know it is unlikely. But this Fanatsy Hero remember. Anyhow, any other discover America myths/legends out there. I've heard of a St. Benedict, too (I think that was the name). The more, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Holck Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc http://freethoughtmovement.blogspot.com/2008/03/were-more-alike-than-we-want-to-believe.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DusterBoy Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Letting the thread drift slightly. . . does anybody else remember that cocaine was claimed to be found in the sarcophogi of certain Pharoahs? Talking about transAtlantic travel before the "official" dates. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Well, yes, I know it is unlikely. But this Fanatsy Hero remember. Anyhow, any other discover America myths/legends out there. I've heard of a St. Benedict, too (I think that was the name). The more, the better. Not St Benedict - St Brendan, or Brendan the voyager. Erik the Red was said to have taken two irishmen with him on his quest to discover Iceland, and that their stories of Brendan were what led him out there in the first place (personally, I suspect that was added later to his saga by an Irishman, but hey ...) cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc There are those who claim that the Chinese discovered America in 1421. Aside from Gavin Mendies and the Chinese themselves, this isn't taken too seriously, but as you say, it's Fantasy Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Holck Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Letting the thread drift slightly. . . does anybody else remember that cocaine was claimed to be found in the sarcophogi of certain Pharoahs? Talking about transAtlantic travel before the "official" dates. . . Maybe the archeologists had to deny the cocaine was actually theirs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc Not St Benedict - St Brendan, or Brendan the voyager. Erik the Red was said to have taken two irishmen with him on his quest to discover Iceland, and that their stories of Brendan were what led him out there in the first place (personally, I suspect that was added later to his saga by an Irishman, but hey ...) cheers, Mark Thanks, I knew it started with a B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Re: Prince Madoc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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