Narf the Mouse Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 Everyone seems to like the free, unofficial "HERO System in Two Pages". However, there remains areas of confusion about HERO System - Specifically, non-players seem confused about how, exactly, one runs or plays HERO System Combat. So, I will be doing a HERO System Combat in Two Pages. I'm looking for suggestions on what and how to add. Current Bullet-Point chart for section headings: *) CV, OCV, DCV: What are they? *) MCV: What is it? *) Combat Maneuvers: How do I use them? *) Knockback, Knockdown, Impairment and Disablement: The Dirty Tricks of Combat. *) Normal Damage, Killing Damage, BODY and STUN: Ack! Too much info! *) BODY, STUN and ENDurance: Tracking, taking and recovering. *) Damage Classes (DCs): The dark art of Damage Classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted May 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages For those of you who may be confused, the previous "in Two Pages" was HERO System in general - This will focus on specifically combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages I'd center it more on the various tasks you need to perform, rather than the characteristics. For example: Physical Attack Roll: 3d6 <= 11 + Attacker OCV - Defender DCV (or, DCV hit = 11 + OCV - 3d6) Mental Attack Roll: 3d6 <= 11 + Attacker OMCV - Defender DMCV (or, DMCV hit = 11 + OMCV - 3d6) Normal Damage: For each d6: Stun = Pip Count; Body = (0 Body for 1) (1 Body for 2-5) (2 Body for 6) Killing Damage: Body = Pip Count; Stun = Body x 1d3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages I'd center it more on the various tasks you need to perform, rather than the characteristics. For example: Physical Attack Roll: 3d6 <= 11 + Attacker OCV - Defender DCV (or, DCV hit = 11 + OCV - 3d6) Mental Attack Roll: 3d6 <= 11 + Attacker OMCV - Defender DMCV (or, DMCV hit = 11 + OMCV - 3d6) Normal Damage: For each d6: Stun = Pip Count; Body = (0 Body for 1) (1 Body for 2-5) (2 Body for 6) Killing Damage: Body = Pip Count; Stun = Body x 1d3 Mental Effect: Total dice pips, compare to target's EGO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Carman Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages *) CV, OCV, DCV: What are they? CV = Combat Value. It comes in 2 flavors: Offensive (OCV) is your chance to land your attack on a target; Defense (DCV) is your chance to evade an attack on you. Various Combat Maneuvers and Skills can give a bonus or penalty to either or both. Also, attacks at a range of more than 8 meters suffer an increasing penalty to their accuracy. *) MCV: What is it? Mental Combat Value, psionic attack and defense. As with regular CV, it comes in Offensive and Defensive flavors. Mental attacks normally don't have a range penalty, as long as the attacker can see or otherwise sense the target mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teh bunneh Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages I'll be happy to lay it out when y'all have all the details hashed out. But don't ask me any rules questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arc Esu Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Maybe split it into 2 documents - one for Heroic and one for Superheroic? The two styles often use different parts of the combat rules, and I doubt you could squeeze all of the combat rules down to two pages otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted May 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages @Teh Bunneh: Thanks! @Arc: I'll have to see how it works out. @Tom, Joe: Those were chapter heading ideas - Which I should have made clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickael Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Perhaps you could include a little something about speed and initiative to be complete. And the recoveries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted May 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Yes, definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Carman Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages @Teh Bunneh: Thanks! @Arc: I'll have to see how it works out. @Tom, Joe: Those were chapter heading ideas - Which I should have made clear. You might want to combine those first couple into a more general definitions section. *) CV, OCV, MCV, DC, etc. - Defining your Terms (Don't Panic!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torchwolf Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Mentioning some of these aspects of the combat system might be helpful to prospective Hero combatants: http://www.killershrike.com/GeneralHero/HERO5CombatTactics.aspx Obviously, mentioning too much will be overkill, but I think it's a very good analysis. Other than that, describing the concepts behind the combat maneuvers in broad terms might make them more understandable - I usually start with saying something like: "Generally speaking, the bonuses or penalties from these maneuvers also tell you something about what they look like - OCV bonuses means that they are quickly performed and difficult to react to in time to defend effectively against, and vice versa. DCV penalties means that the maneuver leaves you less effective when defending, meaning that you'll end up off-balance and/or vulnerable to counterattacks when performing it, and vice versa." That has usually done the trick for my new Hero players to get an "aha" look. Just 0.02 Euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedwimer Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages I hate performing thread necromancy, but in this case I could REALLY use this, it would make an excellent companion to the HSi2P, especially for new players. Has this project fallen by the wayside, or was it completed & posted elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages [h=2]Hero In Two Pages - Complete[/h] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedwimer Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Thanks, Hyper-Man, but I've already got Hero System In Two Pages (and I must say it is awesome). This thread, however, was for a follow-up product that Narf the Mouse was working on: Hero System COMBAT in Two Pages. Even though it's been over two years since it was last discussed here, I'm still hoping that Narf might finish it someday... if he hasn't done so already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Thanks' date=' Hyper-Man, but I've already got [i']Hero System In Two Pages[/i] (and I must say it is awesome). This thread, however, was for a follow-up product that Narf the Mouse was working on: Hero System COMBAT in Two Pages. Even though it's been over two years since it was last discussed here, I'm still hoping that Narf might finish it someday... if he hasn't done so already. I'm still hoping that Narf might finish it someday. Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get near as much play in as I'd like, so my understanding of combat lags way behind my understanding of character creation (of which I've done lots). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedwimer Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages I'm still hoping that Narf might finish it someday. Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get near as much play in as I'd like, so my understanding of combat lags way behind my understanding of character creation (of which I've done lots). I totally understand, I've only just recently got back into a Hero game as a player and I'm working on setting up another game that I want to run (hopefully later this year or early next year), so I've been rather out-of-practice as well. I'll just have to keep an eye on this thread and hope that your Hero-playing fortunes turn around soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguy Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Hi, I might be able to help. What I did was take the Hero Resource Kit pdf and condense the rules down to 2 pages. This is the absolutely bare minimum necessary for 80% of the players in most games (IMO). Enjoy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguy Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages I want to thank the person who mentioned that I should have asked permission to post that two page. BIG OOPS on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Everyone seems to like the free, unofficial "HERO System in Two Pages". However, there remains areas of confusion about HERO System - Specifically, non-players seem confused about how, exactly, one runs or plays HERO System Combat. So, I will be doing a HERO System Combat in Two Pages. I'm looking for suggestions on what and how to add. Current Bullet-Point chart for section headings: *) CV, OCV, DCV: What are they? *) MCV: What is it? *) Combat Maneuvers: How do I use them? *) Knockback, Knockdown, Impairment and Disablement: The Dirty Tricks of Combat. *) Normal Damage, Killing Damage, BODY and STUN: Ack! Too much info! *) BODY, STUN and ENDurance: Tracking, taking and recovering. *) Damage Classes (DCs): The dark art of Damage Classes. How about a 1 Rolled an X with an OCV of Y what DCV did I just hit. ie Show the sneaky advanced version of the OCV equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodkins Odds Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: Now taking suggestions - HERO System Combat in Two Pages Yeah, the sneaky THAC0 like attack roll needs to be covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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