Christopher

14 hours ago, Gnome BODY (important!) said:

I am arguing that NCM does not provide any assurance that a high value will be permitted.  I am arguing against your implication that it does, with your DEX 30 character scenario. 

 

NCM is an alternative pricing model, it has absolutely nothing to do with GM acceptance or denial of characters.  I would very much like to know why you feel it does, because that makes no sense to me. 

I answered your question. Please answer mine:

Are you seriously arguing that "the GM has to allowed you exceeding that cap" is more reliable for the players then "NCM"?

10 hours ago, Sean Waters said:

Bertolo as a PC might feel he's going to be seen and shot dead if he does not do something, and he might consider that attacking is the safer option in the circumstances.

"Sometimes to only way to live, is to give up all hope of survival or escape." - Tzun Tsu.

It is a known effect. And Bertholo had most definitely hit that point.

14 hours ago, Killer Shrike said:

Well if you think that I am a troll rather than a long standing supporter for the game and those who play it, and that I am trolling rather than asking people who don't like 6e to itemize the problems they have with the ruleset that cause them to express a general dislike for it at one end of the spectrum up to using terms like "detest" at that other end of the spectrum, then you misunderstand me.

I was honestly asuming you were using that by accident/innocence. You are not the first one on this forum to make this mistake. It is a honest mistake to make. But you are the first one not to change the title on being informed of it.

However I have to point out that this is far from the first time I saw a long term participant of a forum from turning to trolling all of a sudden. I have not yet figured out the how and why, but my experience tells me it is possible. One does not exclude the other.

"Convince me" and it's Synomyms are like most of the stuff Neo-Nazis say: You can not use that without putting yourself into that despised group and I was pointing out you were/are doing that to yourself.

7 hours ago, Gnome BODY (important!) said:

Picture heavy shouldn't have mattered unless images were being stored on herogames.com.  A link to an image is just text, after all. 

A few things wrong with that:

a) It is considered extremely rude to steal someone elses bandwith like you are suggesting

b) I asume this forum software copies the images to a local storage.

c) The issues in building the thread smells of a database issue. Honestly it is a small wonder the whole site was not knocked out by this isssue. It is apparently a well designed Forum software.

d) This was a thread that had been copied over from at least 2 previous forum softwares

e) this was in the NDG Forum. Non Gaming Discussion.

f) Who even looked at the old entries?

19 hours ago, Simon said:

Fixed (deleted)

That badly broken? Ah, excrement!

5 hours ago, Ternaugh said:

  

Star Trek: Discovery is indeed available on Netflix--except in the United States, where it's first-run on CBS All Access and able to be purchased on Amazon Video.

Oh, Tribbles! (that was supposed to be an expletive at the bad news).

1 hour ago, Cygnia said:

Plague Doctor Ravencroft?

4 hours ago, Gnome BODY (important!) said:

Christopher, are you seriously arguing that NCM replaces GM oversight and that a GM will never veto a NCM-legal character? 

No.

Are you seriously arguing that "the GM has to allowed you exceeding that cap" is more reliable for the players then "NCM"?

42 minutes ago, Sean Waters said:

We play a game that involves dice: that is how you model weird stuff that actually happens in real life.  I mean, this whole thing could be represented by Bertolo shooting and hitting every time and any return fire missing entirely or doing very minor damage.  This is not a scenario where, in a Hero game Bertolo is likely to succeed, but then in real life he wasn't likely to succeed either.  In both Hero and real life he can/did.  Sometimes real life is cinematic as all hell. 

The problem is that 90% of all people in that situation tried the exact same thing and died, never to report of it.

And a  9/10 dead quote is not a chance most RPG players will take.

18 hours ago, steriaca said:

Let me think...Ladybug has a one slot VVP with No Concess Control at the -1 level which is the item needed to solve the problem. Cat Noir has a NND RKA which can only be used to break down objects.

Okay, watched the first two Episodes.

Lucky Charm:

The lucky charm comes with a "Ladybug Vision". That might simply be a Cinematic technique, or simply part of how the power works. A VPP does seem - "spot on"

Besides that, she uses it extensively as a form of Stretching/Telekinesis. She swings like Spiderman and agianst Mr. Pigeon she made two attempts a ranged grab, with one connecting.

Cataclysm:

Some kind of Focus/object destruction. "RKA, NND, Does Body" would work. As would be any Penetrating attack of sufficient Magnitude. Or even a Dispel defined as "object destruction".

Aside from the powers from their Miraculous, both also have high levels of Parkour skills when transformed. Wich is fitting as that comes from france.

They could have some low endurance cost movement powers to simulate that. Stuff like "Flight, only what Pacour could do".

They might also have increased strenght, as they are often fighting Augmented Grown up villains. But it might be that the "Gimik" the Adults get ruins any semblance of them still using their Adult powers (being stronger then children).

On 1/28/2019 at 5:59 AM, Duke Bushido said:

NCM didn't do that.  The GM did it when he said "no."  Without the GM, there is nothing inherent in the NCM rules to prevent exceeding NCM.  Quite the opposite: there are rules that tell you precisely _how_ to exceed it.

Those rules are called "Normal Characteristics Maxima". Wich is a reliable, robust rule.

As opposed to "the GM has to agree".

On 1/28/2019 at 6:18 AM, Gnome BODY (important!) said:

 Your example isn't a case of NCM being better, it's a case of not getting blindsided.  

NCM is a rule that has to be communicated before Character creation even begins. It is as fundamental as the Points and Complications. There is no room to be blindsided.

7 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said:

OK, you want the security that you can go beyond the campaign assumptions and expectations. 

  

Last I looked, the GM could say no to book-legal constructs, which would leave your idea just as *bleeped*. 

Allowing the Optional NCM rule is the GM changing the campaign assumptions. Intentionally.

I think right now you argue for the sake of argument, rather then to have a point.

16 hours ago, steriaca said:

Let me think...Ladybug has a one slot VVP with No Concess Control at the -1 level which is the item needed to solve the problem.

If it is always the perfect tool, it is hardly No control.

It think this is a case where No Character Control != No Player Control.

Personally I have not yet watched a single episode of the show. But I have had it avalible the whole time.

So the funny Pics thread is currently stuck on a partial view of page 1188, with the last post being this:

Now I keep getting informed of "200+ new replies", but refreshign the page does not actually show anything.

"Now remember: The Catholic church only pays for the first 3 children fathered by a priest outside of wedlock."

On 1/28/2019 at 7:12 AM, Ternaugh said:

  

I believe that distribution of The Orville is limited to a few countries. It's made for the Fox TV Network here in the US, and episodes show up on the Fox website, as well as Hulu and Amazon Prime, but the last two require subscriptions/purchases. Wikipedia lists it as available in the UK on Fox UK's streaming service, in Australia on SBS Viceland and SBS on Demand, and in New Zealand on TVNZ On Demand.

 

I haven't watched any episodes of ST:D, as it's primarily available through the CBS All Access subscription service, and I refuse to add a subscription for only one show. 

So it is was not just me being to blind to find Orville.

As for DISCO, it is also viewable on Netflix. Indeed it was the reason I originally got a Netflix subscription. Have not regreted it so far.

On 1/28/2019 at 11:54 AM, Starlord said:

Particularly enjoyed the last episode of the Orville involving a civilization which bases your societal worth based on astrological signs.  Was sorry to see the old security officer go**, but I've enjoyed her two replacements so far.

 

**As a Star Trek parody, it seems particularly fitting that the security officer should exit the show fairly early on. 

Please, 2nd season. Tasha Yar/Denise Cosby left before the 1st Season finished!

But she pulled a terminator and said "I'll be back as Sela".

17 hours ago, BoloOfEarth said:

 

A brief aside -- I put together a time capsule in 1999, to pass onto my kids, and then their kids, etc. until it's to be opened in 2101.  (So it goes from the 20th century to the 22nd century.)   One of the things it includes is a journal with stories of how I met my wife, about my kids' births, etc.  And then I realized that since I wrote it in cursive, it's entirely possible they wouldn't be able to decode what I'd written.  So I included a page where I listed each letter in cursive (upper and lower case) along with that letter in block form.  My great-great-grandkids will probably think I'm an idiot, but what the heck.  Better safe than sorry. 

So the guy whose Avatar looks like a Egyptian Pharao, gave his grandchildren a helper for his Hieroglyphs? Fitting

4 hours ago, Anaximander said:

You can't overlook the way adrenaline can make people super human sometimes.  I'm not sure how one would do an adrenaline surge unless you assume that everyone has a suppressed Aid power that can kick in under extreme measures.

This becomes a mater of balance:

On 1/26/2019 at 1:40 AM, Christopher said:

I guess we can all agree that real life has a terrible game balance. I mean every normal can kill 4 people with wild shooting

 

In all seriousness, I think the imbalance is really hard to model. If you unbalance stuff like that, it is usually the characters that will suffer the most.

"change my mind" is just "convince me" with different words. And "convince me" is a trolling technique. A variant of the "shifting goalpost" approach, wich I define as "undefined goalpost".

8 hours ago, LouisGoncey said:

 

 

 

Intersting point. Never thought about that :D

13 hours ago, Hermit said:

The Orville continues to entertain, the first two episodes in Season 2 were so so...but it really picked up

I do not know where to watch Orville. Thus far it did not appear on Netflix and all I could see was fragments on youtube.

Watched the first 2 Episodes of Discovery Season 2. Thus far it is starting rather slowly, but hat could just me not knowing what the Focus/Story is yet.

14 hours ago, Cygnia said:

"Do not try it, Anakin. I have hte high ground!"

"You underestimate my horns!"

12 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said:

It seems to me False prophecies would be easier to develop than real ones in game.

7 hours ago, Duke Bushido said:

Real ones aren't too terribly difficult to pull off. 

 

Unless, of course, you get player characters involved. 

Not if you apply hte Uncertainty principle:
"The more precise the prophecy, the less precise the reality (and vice versa)."

12 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said:

Lucius' Florist Friars are facetious, of course, but a good example of how NCM does not do the job.  I've copied these below for those who have not seen them before.  I believe these are the 5e versions.

That a rule does not stop 100% off all abuse does not mean it does not work.

Heck, the "100% or not worth it ever" argument is just conservative argumentation.

13 hours ago, Lucius said:

In what way does Normal Characteristic Maxima give you "planning security?"

I want a Character with 30 DEX when normally 20 is allowed

NCM: I can get a Chracter with 30 DEX by paying more.

Hughs Idea: I write up a Character with 30 DEX. This ability was a core idea of my build. The GM says no. So now my idea is *bleeped*

And that is how NCM gave me planning security.

11 hours ago, Killer Shrike said:

mind flayer 

And we all know how tht turned out in OOTS #32:

3 hours ago, Badger said:

I was taught open. And although I want to go closed, decades of muscle memory will never allow me for long. 

I write it open top too. Propably happened because I used to use Graph paper and it was easier to alling all the lines with the squares.

3 hours ago, Badger said:

So who puts a "nose" on their 1s?

I do. The only downside is that I have to put a horizontal bar into my 7's. But then I really dislike ambiguity.

41 minutes ago, Bazza said:

We still arguing about this? 

That is literally what the thread is there for, so why not?