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  1. That's for the two big books, right? Not the Basic Rulebook. But correct me if I'm mistaken.
  2. If anyone is aware of, or comes across, any corrections to the basic rules 6E, consider adding them to this errata doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZorYAciv9CVRrKTXMewK8berQW_rmniHv4m4sGkqFko/edit?usp=sharing
  3. If I want to speed up and simplify combat action a few seconds for newcomers (including me as GM), how about: For normal damage, instead of calculating BODY by counting up the dice, use the number of dice rolled. (BR 6E, p. 101 points out “The number of BODY done is usually close to the number of dice rolled.”) For killing damage, instead of using 1/2d6 to determine STUN, use x2 (x1.75 rounded up).
  4. @Panpiper and others in this thread (or anyone), can you point me to HERO resources to complement this helpful guidance? Do any resources have a fantastic step by step by step guide to creation of a well-rounded complete character: First do this, (consider x,y,z), then do this (...), then do this (...), .... I own the Basic Rules 6E and Champions Complete, and I’d buy something else to get the guide, including a book for a different HERO genre. If there are no official resources like this, is there other information you’d point me to here? Thx!
  5. So, I have a plan! For me and my brain, the original Champions Attack equation and explanation of the Attack equation is more intuitive than that in in later editions, so I'm going to stick with the original. Thanks, all.
  6. No, this helps a ton-- What you wrote makes sense. I get your point about comparing Attacks to the Skills Roll.... I checked out the original Champions as well: "The basic chance to make an attack role is 11 or less. If the character rolls 11 or less on 3d6, [their] attack has hit the target. If the character rolls 12 or more, [their] attack has missed. This Attack Roll varies according to circumstances. There are a number of modifiers to a character's attack roll...." The character modifies their chance to hit by their attacking skill (OCV) less their target's defending skill (DCV) and other modifiers. Wow. Of course. This is well explained, to my mind. 11 + OCV - DCV = 3d6 or less And the related equation makes sense. Then there's this ... 11 + OCV - 3d6 = DCV you can hit. Hurts my head. I understand how these equations are the same with a bit of algebra. The problem is that written in the altered form, it loses its explainability to me. It's just a formula without any meaning. My new and improved, proposed plan: I explain the Attack Roll exactly as it was explained in Champions v1. Combat flows like this, where OCV = 5, DCV = 7, as an example: I say: What's your OCV, Joe? Joe: 5 [assume no modifiers applied on his end] Me: Great. Roll, Joe! Joe: 9 (with a hopeful tone) ... Me: You hit her [after doing the math using whatever equation works the best for me] - Versus D&D 5e, this is nearly the same combat experience for the player. - Versus D&D 5e, the GM needs to do a few seconds of additional work: Ask Joe his OCV. GM may know what this is without asking in some cases ... GM does a calc that's slightly more complicated than, "Is X greater or equal to Y?" Feasible? A terrible idea? Feedback is welcome.
  7. This may be a failing on my part, I'll readily admit! Try as I might, I just can't "get" the roll-under approach to combat. However I look at the math, I can't see a story; I can't explain how the math relates to "real" life. Human beings have an innate sense for math, patterns and want information to make sense. The HERO-standard equation just doesn't make sense to this human being (i.e., me). Attacker's OCV + 11 - 3d6 = the DCV the Attacker Can Hit - I'm lost. I believe I can rewrite the above as OCV + 11 - 3d6 ≥ DCV. Playing around with the equation, I get: 11 + OCV ≥ DCV + 3d6 - the story is even more confounding to me this way though. I understand the below equation is not mathematically equivalent to the HERO-standard, but I'm playing a game not building a bridge or sending a satellite into orbit. It makes sense to me. OCV + X ≥ DCV + 11 "Hi, new player, this is how combat works. You have a certain acumen for attacking (OCV), but there's always going to be variability in how you perform. That variability is represented by the results of a 3d6 roll. Without training, armor or abilities, your opponent has an innate ability to avoid your attack. In the game that's represented by a fixed '11,' a baseline for anyone. Your opponent has additional defensive capabilities to defend themselves (DCV), which are additive to the 11. So, to hit your opponent, you add a 3d6 roll to your OCV and hit them if that exceeds their DCV plus 11." I'm not an Engineer, etc. but I believe the alternative equation (OCV + X ≥ DCV + 11) may result in slightly fewer hits than the HERO-standard equation, which I may adjust for by changing the "11" to a "10." There's still time to pull me back from the edge of this heresy if someone can explain to me what the heck OCV + 11 - 3d6 ≥ DCV is supposed to mean along the lines of my pretend dialog above. Help me, before it's too late. p.s. I'm going to stick with roll under for skill checks.... "Hi, new player, skills are a bit different than combat, but I think you'll find this makes sense. The more skill you have, the higher the skill number. Someone with 15 in a skill is more skilled than someone with 5. When you perform a skill, you need to perform within your capabilities. In other words, you need to roll your skill number or less. If you roll really low, it means you nailed it! If you roll high but still make it, it means you just squeaked by."
  8. Hey, there - I posted something to the Fantasy thread that I worry is gonna get overlooked. :) It relates to your FH Basics book. Would you mind sharing your thoughts there or here?

     

     

    1. drunkonduty

      drunkonduty

      Hi there. :-)

       

      Thanks for taking an interest in Fantasy HERO Basic.

       

      So to explain my little document. It was inspired by a thread started here about 2 years ago by Brian Stanfield (you'll find he's a regular and thoughtful contributor to these forums) about introducing new players to HERO. The idea was to write something that would make HERO more easily accessible to new players. And Fantasy Hero Basic is my take on that.

       

      I tried to present HERO in ways that made it easier to understand. One thing I did was to rearrange the equation for determining attacks and skills in order to make it a "roll high" equation. It's mathematically the same as the "roll under" version used in the official rules.

       

      The reason I did this is that many beginners are confused by the idea of rolling low for attacks and skills but rolling high for damage. In my personal experience, and in most of the anecdotal experiences I've read/heard about, this is a common problem for new players. By changing to "roll high" I hope to take out one thing that is a barrier to entry.

       

      I made a few other changes. Armour Piercing comes to mind. I took an idea from one of the forum threads here and applied it. It's simpler if not as flexible.

       

      One more thing: FHB is intended as a Low Fantasy rules set. Magic is not as powerful and flexible as many fantasy settings you'll have seen. 

       

      Again, thanks for taking an interest. I'm happy to answer any questions you have about it.

       

      Cheers,

      Glen.

    2. jfg17

      jfg17

      Cool. 

       

      What you recommend one start with your guide ... then  go onto FHC or onto FH 6th Ed, or a different sequence?

       

      Yeah - I pretty sure I'm going to use roll over as part of my house rules for combat. I do think the mathematical results are a little different between the  two equations, but close enough. It's just a game, not a bridge. :)

    3. drunkonduty

      drunkonduty

      My intent was to take the rules as presented in FHC and make them into something playable out of the box. So yeah, I'm recommending starting with FHB.

       

      Honestly, I think the FHC is more a set of rules about how to make a set of rules. IIRC, it has a few example spells and some example equipment, then tells you to go out and build your own. And that's fine, but it's hard work. I think that once a player has a good idea of the basics of how the game runs in play they will be able to understand the rules in FHC. You could use FHC to create mods for your game. But there's no need to use it.

       

      I haven't read FH 6e so I can't comment on it one way or another.

       

      Roll over - yeah... I keep going over it in my head and I can never be quite sure if I'm off by 1. Maths is hard. 😞 Another thought I've had since publishing is changing the base target number to 10. Partly because it's easier to add to 10. Partly because as someone said on the forums a while back "it's more fun to succeed at stuff."

  9. How would you recommend one use the free Fantasy Hero Basic 1.1.0 doc, available in the downloads section, alongside FHC and FH 6th Edition? and what is the history/background to the twist on the combat rules in that doc on page 70? “If the attacker’s total equals or exceeds the defender’s total the attack has hit. Offensive Combat Value + roll compared to Defensive Combat Value +11 “
  10. What’s the difference between, and how would one use, Fantasy Hero Complete versus Fantasy Hero 6th Edition? Thx.
  11. In the combat example, for segment 4, why is “22” subtracted from 13, why not “20” (Defender‘s ED)? Thx.
  12. Super-helpful to know about this example as I refine my plan. I bet that in doing this advance work, I'll learn most of what I need to run an initial game as well!
  13. Yes - Seems to me it's a benefit to all HERO fans for more people to be enjoying the game--whatever "enjoy" might mean to them.
  14. Thanks, all. I bought the 6e Basic Rules. Going to try reading them as my next step. I’m envisioning starting off with simple characters and character sheets, simplified combat, getting practice, and growing into the rules from there.
  15. I’m just speaking for myself in view of my own learning style. I’m trying to get back into the game, and this primer is one of the most newcomer-friendly documents I’ve found. I also have the Champions Complete book, and it’s a struggle for me to stay motivated to move on after page 12. Anyway, just wanted to say Well Done.
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