slikmar Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 I would be shocked if anyone would take Stanton and his contract at this point. He will be DH. They also picked up Grisham, who is a very good defensive outfielder to be the 4th one and late defensive replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted December 8, 2023 Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/6/2023 at 10:15 PM, unclevlad said: And the moves start. Padres may be starting a retool/rebuild on the offensive side, trading Juan Soto to ... the Evil Empire. Who'd already gotten another corner outfielder in Alex Verdugo. The scuttlebutt is, Judge will play center, flanked by Verdugo and Soto. Who's missing from that? Stanton...... He'll probably be trade bait, MAYBE with the option of making him a DH, but a) I'm not sure how much Stanton likes that role, b) There may be too much swing and miss there, given Soto and Judge. IF they've got hard-contact hitters at first and 3rd, maybe they can get away with another slugger, but too much slugging makes for offensive inconsistency. Soto has led the National league in walks for 3 years running, he'll be fine wherever they put him in the lineup. Stanton will have to have to DH whether he likes it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 Oh my <bleep>ing.......... Ohtani. Dodgers. 10 years. $700 mill. That's not a sports contract, it's a Pentagon contract. His agent's also going to have a VERY merry holiday season...... EDIT: if I read the rules right, the Dodgers are also gonna have to fork out another $35M or so per year, on average, for the luxury tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 at least, and they still haven't really addressed their pitching depth. As an Angel fan, sad to see him go, but honestly, they could never afford him at that price. And I wonder if any incentives on his pitching built in. As has been noted, 2nd tommy john surgery in same arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 It seems like all of the great free agents end up with the Dodgers, Giants, Yankees, Mets, or Red Sox. Because those are the teams that are able to throw seemingly limitless sums of money at those players. Can you imagine what would happen if a player like Ohtani ever signed with a team like the A's? Or the Royals? The Brewers? It would break the Major Leagues as we understand them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 Baseball has been a regional game for at least 15 years.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 By the same token tho, we've all seen how successful just throwing money out there has been. Sure, it's worked at times...and it's bombed at times. Think Mets. Also, turns out that a major portion of Ohtani's contract is deferred money, so his luxury tax impact is much smaller. What concerns me is if this is going to spark another round of *massive* contract inflation. Sure, Ohtani's unique...on the field and off. He's the most marketable, the most popular player in baseball, and maybe the only rival in US pro sports now would be LeBron. But, the other players and their agents will see the number. And hey, maybe it'll be a while before it's *beaten*...but it raises the ceiling SO high that there's massive space underneath it. slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 I dunno. This seems rather like Alex Rodriguez's quarter-billion contract back around 2000. It's an old tape with with new numbers scribbled in. An overreacting franchise making a stupid decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 normally, yes, but the Fox group that owns the Dodgers, much like what is seeming to be like the Mets, don't care about how high payroll is and figure they will make a lot back by marketing Ohtani. Again, not sure he will be the same pitcher again, but we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 It does seem like ARod's, but he wasn't nearly as marketable as Ohtani, as slik notes. Plus, remember ARod's contract was with Texas. They didn't have the market base, and probably not anything like the media rights deals. One thing with the Dodgers is, they own Dodger Stadium and everything around it...lock, stock, and barrel. So they get all the ticket sales...all the parking revenue (and you HAVE to drive to Dodger Stadium), all the concession rights, all the in-stadium advertising. And the Dodger ticket prices are the MOST expensive in MLB...while drawing 3.8M fans last year, about 600,000 more than anyone else. Sportico gives the Yankees the highest revenue at about $700M; the Dodgers are next at $600M, among MLB franchises. The salary inflation I'm thinking of tho.... https://www.stevetheump.com/Millionaires.htm Kevin Brown was #1 in 2000, at $15.7M. He dropped a bit in 2001 in salary...but also dropped to tied for 8th. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 And are owned by Fox Sports group, which means, like the Cubs/Braves/Yankees they own the main station their team plays on, so all the tv revenue goes to them. "Payroll high, how about a sweet tv deal worth 3x more then any other team, will that help?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 I saw a bit on the Book of Face stating that NFL MVP candidate Brock Purdy (who's still playing on a rookie contract) would have to play for something like eight hundred years at his current salary to earn as much as Ohtani will earn in the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Pariah said: I saw a bit on the Book of Face stating that NFL MVP candidate Brock Purdy (who's still playing on a rookie contract) would have to play for something like eight hundred years at his current salary to earn as much as Ohtani will earn in the next decade. Somewhere around that long. Easy to look it up..... Another way to look at it...the average value of his contract is $70M. For that? You can have almost a hundred MLB players making the rookie min. It's also more than the entire 2023 payroll of the A's, and basically equal to the payroll of the Orioles. Note, that includes EVERYONE...including injured players. Ya want worse? As of today, it's as much or more than the 26 man roster for 2024, for *8* teams...the usual suspects. Cleveland, KC, Miami, Milwaukee, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Oakland. OTOH, the Mets, Phillies, and Yankees have broken $200M already, and Atlanta is $195M. Dodgers are listed at $131M...but that does NOT include Ohtani. The contract details must not have been filed yet. Oh, and Rangers and Astros are at $191M and $188M. OHHHhhh...and looking at the Yankees, this DOES NOT include a BUNCH of contracts...like Soto, Torres, Cortes. They're shown with various arbitration codes. Sports contracts are weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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