Guest Hunter1 Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 The Justice Society of America: some of the members include Dr. Fate, Dr. Mid-Nite, Capt. Marvel, Power Girl, Hour Man, Mr. Terrific, Star Girl, Wild Cat, Hawkman, and Hawk Girl. The Avengers: some of the members include Capt. America, Hawkeye, She-Hulk, The Wasp, Giant Man, Jack of Hearts, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, the Falcon, and Thor. I know that the list of heroes on both teams is constantly changing, but pick the ones that you like for the battle. Who wins? Once again, it depends on which team shows up. As far as power goes, I would give it to the Justice Society. However, I could see the Avengers taking it due to Capt. America's skill as a tactician. It would be an amazing battle, better than the recent JLA v. Avengers comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drrushing Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 JSA vs. Avengers Well, just from the volume of members available from both sides, this battle could lay waste to an entire planet. I think I'd go with the Silver Age JSA though............they seemed like the first real "Superteam". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Let's imagine this matchup of JSA v. Avengers.. Mr. Terrific v. Captain America Captain Marvel v. Thor Green Arrow v. Hawkeye Hawk Girl v. Falcon Sentinel v. Jack of Hearts Power Girl v. She-Hulk Atom Smasher v. Hercules Dr. Fate v. Scarlet Witch Black Canary v. Black Panther How do you see this one going down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter1 Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Capt. America beats Mr. Terrific Thor beats Capt. Marvel Hawkeye beats Green Arrow Hawk Girl beats Falcon Sentinel beats Jack of Hearts Power Girl beats She-Hulk Hercules beats Atom Smasher Dr. Fate beats Scarlet Witch Black Panther beats Black Canary That leaves Capt. Amerca, Thor, Hercules, Hawkeye and Black Panther v. Hawk Girl, Sentinel, Power Girl and Dr. Fate. Sentinel beats Hawkeye and Black Panther Capt. America beats Hawk Girl Thor beats Power Girl Dr. Fate beats Hercules That leaves Sentinel and Dr. Fate v. Thor and Capt. America Dr. Fate beats Thor Capt. America beats Sentinel It ends with Capt. America v. Dr. Fate... I would give it to Capt. America, because he would find a way to win. Maybe he removes Dr. Fate's helmet? I think I am too bias to give an accurate description... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 I'd give it to the Avengers.... barely. And then later Cap could strike up a few friendships and crossovers galore! Sorry, geek attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 JSA. They were the first, they are the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Avengers, they were better written than the JSA for a very long time. The modern JSA wouldn't be such a good read without the Marvel Team books of the 60s and 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcholmes Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Originally posted by levi Green Arrow v. Hawkeye Was Green Arrow ever a member of the JSA? (I think that even pre-Crisis, Green Arrow only belonged to the All-Star Squadron and the 7 Soldiers of Victory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkham Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 I'll choose any of the JSA's with the Spectre vs All of the Avengers ever. The Spectre beats them all. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proditor Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 JSA all the way. I also think a few of the newer members get short shift when these comparisons occur. Also, the arguable deal-breaking character and member of like every JSA, the Flash, didn't get mentioned. He alone would mess up scores of folk. Marvel just isn't used to guys that fast. So...making a small substitution in Hunter1's team-ups... Hawkeye vs. The Flash...man, that's not even close. Sure, clint can take out Speed Demon, but this is just a whole new level of hurt. Whish then leaves Sentinel or Flash on Black Panther with the other free to assist someone else. At that point, to me at least, it;s pretty darn academic. As an aside, I don't think the "common" Thor could take Captain Marvel, but that's a whole other can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Originally posted by Hunter1 T Capt. America beats Sentinel No way in he.... uh heck. Sentinal is the original green lantern, fought in WW2, and didn't have a nice little ice nap there. He has the experience that Cap has and then some, and, especially in recent times, is the hero that Superman talks to as a mentor. His powerlevel has gone up over the years. As much as I love Cap (and he is my favorite Avenger) I give this one to Sentinel. I could give the other fight to Thor, then Sentinel kicks Thor's butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyendasky80 Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 The Avengers are always sorely lacking in power in comparison to DC first string super teams. And the JSA is the firstest string. Firstest? What the hell kind of word is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Personally,I'd think Captain America could take out Green Lantern ( when he took back his power from Mordru near the end of The Princes Of Darkness story arc,it manifested itself as a power ring,so he called himself Green Lantern again) IF he observed Alan Scott's vulnerability to wood.Otherwise Green Lantern would win. Personally,I also think that Doctor Fate (if this is the Hector Hall version) could beat the entire Avengers singlehanded.After all,every time he's fought Mordru,that Lord of Chaos has eventually lost-and that lunatic's usually taken on the entire LSH singlehandedly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader108 Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Avengers win...though it would be a hard-fought battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyendasky80 Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Hey Southern Cross, did you check out the Doc Fate vs Doc Strange thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Not for some time,but as Doctor Strange is not a member of the Avengers (as far as I know),I felt justified in not mentioning it.Besides such a fight would be a very close calll.We'd have to figure out the Hero System stats for both & then let them fight it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Why is Captain America always so over estimated? He must be the GM's pet player. First frame, full page: Spectre grows to 5 miles tall, and squashes both teams into mush. End of story. The rest is a reprint of the Ambush Bug secret origin and ads for selling Grit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Remember that in JLA/Avengers Captain America was pitted against Batman,and it was a very close fight,that only ended when Captain America and Batman realized that it made more sense to team up than to indulge in a pointless brawl. Therefore it seems that both characters fill similar functions in their home universes,including the old "hero who seems less powerful than the rest of the team,but who is virtually unbeatable when the plot requires it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Originally posted by Southern Cross Therefore it seems that both characters fill similar functions in their home universes,including the old "hero who seems less powerful than the rest of the team,but who is virtually unbeatable when the plot requires it." I'll second this. Both characters are related to the "Indomitable Human Spirit" even more so than most other heroes they team with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightfire Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 The JSA wins over the Avenger. Story writing aside, without the JSA there would be no superteams. The JSA was power incarnate. Doctor Fate and the Spectre in the 40's were more or less gods, and while Thor and Hercules are gods, when the former fought the cosmos shuddered. The Superman of their era was weaker than today, and Green Lantern had an easily explotable weakness were stll extremely powerful, and Starman was a major hitter with no real weakness, Wonder Woman was Stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, but overall the same tough opponet. Mr. Terrific, Doctor Midnight and the Sandman are rank and file. NOw Jonny Thunder was a wild card because he was unaware that the thunderbolt was a sentient thing and did not always direct it effectively. In the end the JSA would win but they would walk away bloody, the Avengers have more members and very little dead weight. But as I said the JSA's heavy hitters outstrip the Avengers. I can't say anything about the modern JSA, I don't know them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Then you have missed one of DC's best titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I don't think the Avengers have any chance at all. First of all, Jay, moving at light speed could easily put down the most fragile Avengers, namely, all without a bulk body or totally covered by Armour or Damage Resistance: Wasp (if not flying too high), Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, and even Captain America, who cannot fight something in a speed out of his time of reaction scale. Hercules can easily take care of most of the non-flying JSA members, while Iron Man may have some difficulties facing Power Girl and the other flying lady, eventually winning. Thor would suffer, but, after a long fight, would win Capitain Marvel. Although I think the Captain is stronger and faster, I think that Thor superior tenacity and warrior spirity would eventually give him the day. Then there is Dr. Fate... JSA wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by Ron Thor would suffer, but, after a long fight, would win Capitain Marvel. Although I think the Captain is stronger and faster, I think that Thor superior tenacity and warrior spirity would eventually give him the day. Cap beat Thor in DC vs Marvel a few years ago...amazing what magic lightning can do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by Southern Cross Personally,I also think that Doctor Fate (if this is the Hector Hall version) could beat the entire Avengers singlehanded.After all,every time he's fought Mordru,that Lord of Chaos has eventually lost-and that lunatic's usually taken on the entire LSH singlehandedly! But the Mordru who fought the LSH has 1,000 years of extra xp... Aren't these comparisons fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Originally posted by Hugh Neilson Cap beat Thor in DC vs Marvel a few years ago...amazing what magic lightning can do... Are you sure? I recall that Thor used his ligthning control to activate Caps transformation in Billy Baxton and finish the duel. Still, I might be wrong, those DC-Marvel crossover stories were really bad and I forgot most of it. Anyway, I wrote what would be the result if I was writing the book, based in my own interpretation of the characters, which varies wildly from writer to writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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