TechnoViking Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Has the hero from original Champions cover (as seeen in my avatar) ever be named? I know the villian is now Holocaust, but I was curious about the hero. For those of you who have never seen the cover, he is a hero in blue and gray with a upside-down star on his chest. He apparently has energy fists, large ammount of ED, and knockback resistance. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Re: Hero from the original Champions cover Originally posted by Mike Basinger For those of you who have never seen the cover, he is a hero in blue and gray with a upside-down star on his chest. He apparently has energy fists, large ammount of ED, and knockback resistance. Hey Mike, you wouldn't happen to have an example to look at would you. no idea myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnoViking Posted January 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Re: Re: Hero from the original Champions cover Originally posted by lemming Hey Mike, you wouldn't happen to have an example to look at would you. Here is the best I got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 IIRC the original Adventurer's Club contest to name and write up that villain (who also appeared on the first cover of Enemies btw) was only for the villain; I don't think the hero was considered. To the best of my recollection that hero has never been reproduced or even referred to in any official Champions product, and I feel pretty confident in saying I've seen all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I honestly think he's "Fill in your hero here" guy. The costume is highly generic. The figures on the back I believe are actual characters in the book, whereas the front was sort of "generic hero v. generic villain". Only Mark Williams (artist), Steve Peterson, or George MacDonald know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 If it was only Mark Williams, then sadly, he would have taken the secret to his untimely grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Here's a scan of my cover. As you can see it's well worn, but it should give you a good enough view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by Blue Here's a scan of my cover. As you can see it's well worn, but it should give you a good enough view. We might be able to clean that up a bit. earlier I was just joshing, since it's Mike's avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by lemming We might be able to clean that up a bit. earlier I was just joshing, since it's Mike's avatar I figured as much but it gives me the opportunity to show off that I still have mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drrushing Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 hero on the cover That's cool, someone with an actual intact 2nd Edition Box set. It's sad to here about Mark Williams. Does anyone know what happened? If it's not rude to ask. I really appreciated all the artwork of his from the early Champions books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by Blue I figured as much but it gives me the opportunity to show off that I still have mine I have no idea where mine is. I had one, but now I just have a couple of the grey ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I honestly don't remember what year we got the book (Coulda been anywhere '81 to '83). The inside has an '81 copyright, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's when it was published. It could be a 1st ed or a 2nd. Anyway, the character on the cover greatly resembles this OTHER Williams work from inside the book. I'm guessing they are different versions of the same character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Mark Williams Bio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 With the upside down star I assumed it was Crusader without his mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by lemming Mark Williams Bio Quite a few talented people have been involved in Hero over the years. I always liked the action he put into his art. Too bad he died so young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Originally posted by McCoy With the upside down star I assumed it was Crusader without his mask. That's what I thought too. Maybe Steve Perrin will chime in, he sometimes posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Could have been early addtiton Starburst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drrushing Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 mark williams lemming, thank you for posting Mark's bio. It's too bad that he died so young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Based on the company he keeps (you'd have to see the back cover) I'm guessing it's IceStar. (pictured on the back cover are Gargoyle, Mind Maid and Force) Marksman and Mercenary are not pictured. Those are all the characters listed in the 1st edition dedication. $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Re: mark williams Originally posted by drrushing lemming, thank you for posting Mark's bio. It's too bad that he died so young. I hadn't seen that particular bio, but sorta glad I read it. Reminded me of someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Originally posted by BNakagawa Based on the company he keeps (you'd have to see the back cover) I'm guessing it's IceStar. (pictured on the back cover are Gargoyle, Mind Maid and Force) Marksman and Mercenary are not pictured. Those are all the characters listed in the 1st edition dedication. $0.02 That would certainly make sense, from what I've heard Icestar was the original Champions character. (BTW, what is it about ice powers? I must have had four or five new players that as soon as I ask what kind of character they want to build the say "Like Iceman, with . . . ." Iceman was always my least favorite X-Man, but I seem to be alone on this.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayoman Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 While not my favorite X-men, I liked Ice-man much more than I did Cyclops. Note that all of my X-men references will be prior to 1988. I collected comics between 1984-1988. Cyclops was a pansy and AFAIC he will always be a pansy. Back when I was reading the comics I always wished Wolverine would just gut Cyke. Back on topic, I remember the old picture but I don't know who the hero is. Originally posted by McCoy Iceman was always my least favorite X-Man, but I seem to be alone on this.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Originally posted by McCoy (BTW, what is it about ice powers? I must have had four or five new players that as soon as I ask what kind of character they want to build the say "Like Iceman, with . . . ." Iceman was always my least favorite X-Man, but I seem to be alone on this.) Iceman has a very broad group of power stunts with his ice powers. Many of the other characters were one dimensional in power stunt design. Iceman had many things he could do with the ice, unlike most of the other characters who were limited to being able to only do 1-3 things with their powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Icestar was Glenn Thain's character if I recall correctly. He was, well he nearly cross the line between being gross and being dead. I seem to remember his costume had more head covering. This could be wrong, I'm working on 20 year old memories. Icestar makes more sense than Crusader. Good catch BN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 True enough.If the version shown in those old Champions comics was correct,Icestar was a real jerk.(Of course,many of those characters were real basket cases ESPECIALLY FLARE). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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