ParagonAlpha Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans A rule of thumb... Rarely do good artists make good writers. Rarely do good writers make good artists. In general the two should not meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroGM Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans As an artist, I think he's good. He's not jaw dropping great, but he's good. As a writer I have strong reservations about him. Even there, Liefeld makes Byrne look good by sheer horrific contrast. And the funny thing is, Byrne wrote/co-wrote the X-Men series that Jim lee did the artwork for. Sometimes I think he's the "Donny Osmond" of the comic book set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans A rule of thumb... Rarely do good artists make good writers. Rarely do good writers make good artists. In general the two should not meet. They can't all be Frank Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Liefeld Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans You guys are making me cry. I'm just trying to make a living here! I'm going to drown my sorrows in work. I'm doing all titles for Marvel and DC next year. I have a secret method that will allow me to cop-- draw 43 titles a month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bblackmoor Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans They can't all be Frank Miller Even Frank Miller isn't Frank Miller a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans As per RL's style: eh. It's not as bad as many I've seen. It wouldn't ruin a comic for me. The plagiarism is absolutely unforgivable, though. Keith "pretty forgiving on style" Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroGM Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans You guys are making me cry. I'm just trying to make a living here! I'm going to drown my sorrows in work. I'm doing all titles for Marvel and DC next year. I have a secret method that will allow me to cop-- draw 43 titles a month! Farm it out to art students, call it a studio and bill yourself in the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans They can't all be Frank Miller Not to burst your balloon, but I personally think Miller, sucks at both art and writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant for Hire Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Not to burst your balloon' date=' but I personally think Miller, sucks at both art and writing. [/quote'] Miller to me is very hit or miss. When he hits, he hits hard, when he misses, he misses badly. There's a bunch of his work I really like, and there's a bunch of it that just misses badly for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Not to burst your balloon' date=' but I personally think Miller, sucks at both art and writing. [/quote'] Didn't burst anything. Yer just wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Didn't burst anything. Yer just wrong You wish. But when I rule the Universe I won't smite you for your incorrect beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Ooh. Let me smite them for you, Master! Keith "born toady" Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans You guys are making me cry. Your title says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Ooh. Let me smite them for you, Master! Keith "born toady" Curtis You got it. I love a go getter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant for Hire Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans But when I rule the Universe I won't smite you for your incorrect beliefs. When I ascend to godlike powers over all of creation, I'll smite whoever I feel like it, though in Liefeld's case, I'm probably not going to simply smite him but instead stick him someplace unpleasant until he learns to: 1. Draw human anatomy in proportion in natural poses 2. Learn to draw a range of body types 3. Learn to compose scenes without copying them from other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojira Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans You guys are making me cry. I'm just trying to make a living here! I'm going to drown my sorrows in work. I'm doing all titles for Marvel and DC next year. I have a secret method that will allow me to cop^H^H draw 43 titles a month! LMAO!!! (Fixed the backspaces for ya!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Liefeld Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Thanks! Hey everyone, I've decided to announce my new project here. I'm doing a 3 part adaptation of the Lord of the Rings. I'll have to compress a lot to fit the story in, especially since I've decided to do it all in splash panels. I think everyone will finally see the classic the way it was meant to be seen. Man-boobs on Aragorn! Wangs on Eowyn! It'll be great! Well, naturally. It's mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bblackmoor Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans I'm doing a 3 part adaptation of the Lord of the Rings. I'm looking forward to Farmer Maggot's enormous feet and sausage-shaped headgear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualplayer Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans All the hobbits will look like Troll, and you will never see their feet. Legolas will look like Shatterstar. Aragorn will have a cybernetic arm. Gandalf will look like he can bench press a balrog. It'll be great! Honestly, Liefeld's stuff is no more stylized than some of Kirby's stuff. The important difference is that Kirby could do anatomically correct work and Liefeld can only draw "comic-style." All he can draw is limited perspective fights and poses. It's definitely sour grapes wondering how the heck he managed to break into comics when the rest of us labor in obscurity, but what can you do? My liking of a comic is usually the kiss of death; I've only rarely been able to recognize "popular." Try to imagine the circumstances that led to Liefeld getting the Titans gig. Was the editor clueless as to ol' Robby's rep? Did he think it would increase sales? Methinks someone showed up looking for work and the Teen Titans drew short straw. Could have been worse. Imagine his Batman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA. Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans When I ascend to godlike powers over all of creation, I'll smite whoever I feel like it, though in Liefeld's case, I'm probably not going to simply smite him but instead stick him someplace unpleasant until he learns to: 1. Draw human anatomy in proportion in natural poses 2. Learn to draw a range of body types 3. Learn to compose scenes without copying them from other people. When I ascend to godlike power, I will put Liefeld into the Inflato-Mangler. A machine that will force his body into the shape of one of his drawings, then hold it there so that he can feel what he has been doing to characters all these years. KA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans The main thing I noticed when looking at the Teen Titans pages was that each panel seems completely unrelated to the others--there is no sense of events flowing from one panel to the next. I couldn't tell at all what was supposed to be happening. I've read plenty of good comics, and that seems like a major problem by comparison. Oh, and regarding someone being a good writer and a good artist at the same time, I would refer you to Japanese comics. Most of them are written and drawn by the same person, and most of them are pretty good. Well, the ones that get imported are, anyway. Zeropoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant for Hire Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Oh' date=' and regarding someone being a good writer and a good artist at the same time, I would refer you to Japanese comics. Most of them are written and drawn by the same person, and most of them are pretty good. Well, the ones that get imported are, anyway.[/quote'] There are good writer/artists around. It's rare to find them at DC or Marvel because both of them tend to favor the assembly line version of producing a comic book for practical reasons. If you go to the independents, it's a lot more common to find someone who both writes the comic book and draws it, and there are some good comics there. If you count webcomics as comics, then the number goes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bblackmoor Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans If you go to the independents' date=' it's a lot more common to find someone who both writes the comic book and draws it, and there are some good comics there. If you count webcomics as comics, then the number goes up.[/quote'] Scott McCloud is a good example of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucleon Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans Thanks! Hey everyone, I've decided to announce my new project here. I'm doing a 3 part adaptation of the Lord of the Rings. I'll have to compress a lot to fit the story in, especially since I've decided to do it all in splash panels. I think everyone will finally see the classic the way it was meant to be seen. Man-boobs on Aragorn! Wangs on Eowyn! It'll be great! Well, naturally. It's mine. As long as Nucleon, or everybody else, is not forced to buy any, He has no problem with that. He might even take a look at it for curiosity. Oh. And if Nucleon had any rep points left, he would give one to you, for sheer grace under adversity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant for Hire Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Liefeld's Titans When I ascend to godlike power, I will put Liefeld into the Inflato-Mangler. A machine that will force his body into the shape of one of his drawings, then hold it there so that he can feel what he has been doing to characters all these years. Hmm. Actually, that's probably a good idea for a punishment until he learns to draw his characters properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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