OddHat Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 The PCs are in a commercial jet headed from NY to Alaska. The door is torn, blasted, smashed, or otherwise opened. What next? Is there a system for this burried in one of the books? How would you handle it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnought Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? I'd use it as a TK, with STR based on proximity to the door. Basically, make a STR vs STR roll every round or get sucked towards the hole. I'd probably allow dex rolls to reduce distance travelled by grabbing seats and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? If I remember correctly, there are rules for explosive decompression in Star Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? depends on the genre. Assuning no superpowers, you provide each character with chances to make strength rolls and dex rolls at varying levels of difficulty to grab others to keep them from being sucked out, and numerous opportunities to be heroic. The difficulties of the rolls should be high enough to look risky but low enough to be makeable, and sufficient "then try this" follow-up rolls to enable "last minute catches" when initial rolls fail, that they all syrvive and get to be heroic before the plane gets low enough to stabilize the pressure. Cannot give specifics since the genre and nature of the characters will determine their specs and stats and thus set the stage for what is ":difficult enough but not too difficult". Once superpowers come into play and the potential for "he survived getting sucked out of a plane in flight" come into play, things get a little more varied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Didn't Mythbusters do a segment on a jet depressurizing in flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actingkeith Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Didn't Mythbusters do a segment on a jet depressurizing in flight?Yes they did. As I recall, a bullet hole... any hole smaller than about 30cm in diameter for that matter, had no significant 'vaccuum' affect on the cabin. Holes larger than that (larger than the size of a plane window) had distructive affects on the fuselage. Large openings, like the door coming off, tended to explode the fuselage around opening. There was a plane a couple of years back that had a large part of the starboard side of the plane blown off... it landed in Hawaii with a big gaping wound. I don't know what game effect you want... but I'm sure that you could justify just about anything you wanted. Peace, -keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? The PCs are in a commercial jet headed from NY to Alaska. The door is torn, blasted, smashed, or otherwise opened. What next? We finally get all them damn snakes off the plane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMike Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? The PCs are in a commercial jet headed from NY to Alaska. The door is torn, blasted, smashed, or otherwise opened. What next? Is there a system for this burried in one of the books? How would you handle it? Rules for explosive decompression are in Star Hero on p286 of that book. Rules for Low Pressure are on p441 of FRED. Wind - FRED p442. Just looking at all that, I'd go for something like the following effects: Drain of 1 END per phase -1 to all skill and combat rolls 15 STR TK explosive to pull people and stuff out the hole (more or less depnding on the height of the plane... about 15 STR for a high altitude door sized hole methinks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Yes they did. As I recall, a bullet hole... any hole smaller than about 30cm in diameter for that matter, had no significant 'vaccuum' affect on the cabin. Holes larger than that (larger than the size of a plane window) had distructive affects on the fuselage. Large openings, like the door coming off, tended to explode the fuselage around opening. There was a plane a couple of years back that had a large part of the starboard side of the plane blown off... it landed in Hawaii with a big gaping wound. I don't know what game effect you want... but I'm sure that you could justify just about anything you wanted. Peace, -keith Aloha Airlines Flight 243 lost the top part of the fuselage from just in back of the cockpit to just before the wings. During the explosive decompression, one of the flight attendants was blown out of the plane's side, but another was actually thrown to the floor and then held in place by passengers as the flight landed. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Flight_243 JoeG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? And in a totally irrelevant piece of trivia, I actually met a woman who was on United Airlines Flight 811 which suffered a similar fate, except that several passengers went out the hole to their doom. She was sitting on the opposite side of the aisle from the hole and guy next to her - who had no seatbelt on - went out the hole! That'd shake your confidence in flying, I think. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? And in a totally irrelevant piece of trivia, I actually met a woman who was on United Airlines Flight 811 which suffered a similar fate, except that several passengers went out the hole to their doom. She was sitting on the opposite side of the aisle from the hole and guy next to her - who had no seatbelt on - went out the hole! That'd shake your confidence in flying, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_811 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? The two pilots of that flight received the Secretary's Award for Heroism for landing the plane afterwards. In numerous simulations afterward, no one was able to land that model plane with that that kind of damage. Keith "brrrr." Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? The two pilots of that flight received the Secretary's Award for Heroism for landing the plane afterwards. In numerous simulations afterward, no one was able to land that model plane with that that kind of damage. Keith "brrrr." Curtis That only goes to prove that simulations aren't as cool as real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGhee Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? HOLE IN PLANE NOT IN ANYWAY COOl! Lord Ghee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Unless your trying to eject the Dragon Kings Henchman quickly, Which was the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Most of what people believe about "explosive compression" comes from fiction and is partially to entirely urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMike Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Most of what people believe about "explosive compression" comes from fiction and is partially to entirely urban myth. You know that when explosive decompression occurs that a host of baby spiders hatch in your dreadlocks, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? You know that when explosive decompression occurs that a host of baby spiders hatch in your dreadlocks' date=' don't you?[/quote'] I thought explosive decompression was what you get when you mix Pop Rocks with Coke. It killed Mikey, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publius Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Little Known Fact: Jack Bauer doesn't suffer from decompression, decompression suffers from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? And there for a while every term I had to field questions in my classes about the rubber-face sequence in Total Recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMike Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? I thought that was a botox issue for Arnie.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMike Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? I thought explosive decompression was what you get when you mix Pop Rocks with Coke. It killed Mikey' date=' after all.[/quote'] Nah, explosive decompression is what sucked all those people and lifeboats down when the Titanic sunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilFleischmann Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? This kind of thing happened in a game I ran once: bad guys hijack the plane, good guys coincidentally on the plane, they fight it out. The idea was that one of the main good guys was supposed to just stand there and take the bad guy's blast, rather than letting it strike the wall of the plane. But he dodged. I wimped out. I ruled that it wasn't quite enough to make a big enough hole in the plane, even though it probably should have. Note: this was years before 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? And in a totally irrelevant piece of trivia, I actually met a woman who was on United Airlines Flight 811 which suffered a similar fate, except that several passengers went out the hole to their doom. She was sitting on the opposite side of the aisle from the hole and guy next to her - who had no seatbelt on - went out the hole! That'd shake your confidence in flying, I think. Or maybe make more people do what I do, which is keep the seatbelt on for the whole flight. People removing seatbelts but staying seated? - that's one thing I don't think I'll ever understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Re: Door opened in an airplane in flight. What next? Or maybe make more people do what I do' date=' which is keep the seatbelt on for the whole flight. People removing seatbelts but staying seated? - that's one thing I don't think I'll ever understand [/quote'] I do that too - not because of the risk of holes in the plane but because of an experience I had when I was flying in a smallish plane with my parents. We hit an air pocket and just dropped like a stone - stuff went flying everywhere and the woman in front of me rose into the air. She didn't hit the roof hard, but when we hit the bottom of the air pocket (or more accurately, commenced flying again) she came down *hard* on the arm of her seat (owwwww). To add to her distress, whether because of the impact, the pain or simply fright, she also pissed herself. I was a kid, so half of me was going ohgodohgodwereallgonnadie and the other half was going Thatwassocool! (well, apart from the strong smell of urine, which I thought incredibly gross). cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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