Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

[Mark Rand]

I'm considering bringing a number of elements from Frank Miller's Sin City into Gotham City and I wonder if it'll be a good fit.

 

These elements include the Roark family, Kadie's Club Pecos, and the East Side being an Old Town analogue.

[Hyper-Man]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

Considering that Frank Miller's worked on Batman before Sin City it's plausible that he based a great deal of that work on Batman's Gotham.

[pinecone]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

Sure...Sin City is Gotham without a comics code....

[ScrewySquirrel]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

I always liked a different decription:

Metropolis is Midtown Manhatten on a sunny day in May.

 

Gotham City is Manhatten below 14th Street on a rainy night in November.

[Balabanto]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

Actually, Metropolis is Chicago or Indianapolis.

 

Gotham City is Newark.

[Mark Rand]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

Here are some of the characters in my version of Old Town. Some are based on Frank Miller's characters. Others are my own creation.

 

Dwight and Gail, both in their early 30s, have been a couple since grade school. He was in Delta Force and is an expert marksman with most firearms. Gail is as she is in the comics. Shellie is Gail's first cousin. Miho is Dwight's half-sister. She wears a black ninja nightsuit.

 

Marv and Nancy are a couple. He's the bouncer at Kadie's Club Pecos, where she dances. The twins, Goldie and Wendy, the neighborhood's leaders, respect Dwight's skills.

 

Molly, the neighborhood doctor, is a trauma surgeon who was fired from her job at an area hospital after testifying against a fellow doctor, whose father was on the hospital board, in a murder trial.

 

Dallas is Miho's usual driver. She always dresses in a Zorro-like costume.

 

Dale is Molly's mother and her office nurse. Since she became a nurse in the 1960s, she has abandoned her scrubs for a white uniform and cap. Given the colorful garb worn by the ladies of Old Town, she attracts little attention.

 

Janice owns the neighborhood funeral parlor. Since it's also the only crematorium in Gotham City, it's always busy. She's always willing to cremate a corpse or two, or a shipment of drugs, for her neighbors.

[starblaze]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

BTW, the recent Batman movie based Gotham City on Chicago instead of New York.

[Mark Rand]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

BTW' date=' the recent Batman movie based Gotham City on Chicago instead of New York.[/quote']

 

I didn't know that. However, I did know that they filmed part of Batman Begins in Chicago and the city partially inspired the design of Gotham City.

[Publius]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

This stuff often moves around too. I have heard that Metropolis is somewhere in Rhode Island or Delaware, Gotham in NJ. I think that these things often shift and morph, based on the needs of the story and the persopn at the helm of the titles (as well as the sensibilities of the public). If you need it to be gothic and crowded go certain areas of New York, more caves of steel and glass go Chicago around the Sears Tower, that sort of thing.

 

But I do think of Gotham and Sin City as more or less the same; "with comics code and without" is as good a description or observation as I have seen or indeed would make myself.

[Comic]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

Sin City is Gotham, without the Bat.

[Mark Rand]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

The truce between the girls of Old Town and the Gotham City police is one of the more interesting things that might come into play. Batman, I think, would accept it and may even have one or two of the ladies as informants.

 

Dwight, too, would be a good informant for him. However, it might be limited to weapon information.

[Dholcrist]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

The truce between the girls of Old Town and the Gotham City police is one of the more interesting things that might come into play. Batman, I think, would accept it and may even have one or two of the ladies as informants.

Actually, in a few of the more recent Batman comics Bats does indeed save a few "working girls", and obviously knows them all by name, hinting at having saved them numerous times. So this wouldn't be a stretch at all from the comics.

 

Also, if anyone has read the abomination that is the All Star Batman & Robin series that's going on right now, Frank Miller has written Gotham EXACTLY like Sin City now. Police are completely corrupt (ridiculous car chases where the Bat kills dozens), and the city is just a complete dump.

 

Personally, I prefer Frank Miller's depiction of Gotham as he wrote it in Batman: Year One. It's a nice in-between of the modern Gotham and Sin City (which I'd bet he based off of Gotham).

[Mark Rand]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

Being a city neighborhood, there are the usual stores and services. The merchants have gotton over the shock of seeing armed people in various constumes come into their place of business.

 

All the neighborhood school crossing guards have Molly's office number on their cell phones that were paid for by a grant from Wayne Enterprises.

 

Dave, am employee in Janice's funeral home, is flirting with Dallas, and she's been seen flirting with him.

[input.jack]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

From what I had read of DC's origins, Metropolis was New York City at its brightest, and Gotham City was Chicago at its worst.

 

Consider that these descriptions were ala 1938-1940 and it makes a lot of sense.

[Checkmate]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

I would have said Gotham was Detroit.

[Publius]

Re: Is Gotham City a substitute for Sin City?

 

I would have said Gotham was Detroit.

Only the bad parts.