RexMundi Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 In the name of SCIENCE! Hell's where's Nyrath when you need him....... Regardless......THIS, little article here i thought had some potential Game Impacting stuff, that if expanded by the real science brains here, could be interesting. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/04/does-our-universe-live-inside-a-.html Discuss....Possible, Probable, No Way In Hell, Or OMG we're going down the Drain! ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! So we are the Lovecraftian horrors from another dimension? I kind of like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yansuf Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! Hey, it's all relative anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escafarc Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! So we are located in God's sphincter. I knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! Interestings... our space exists in the space between space... Cthulu-Cthulu-Cthulu!!! Okay everyone... make your San Check! *Rolls an 18 on an 8-* Awww... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Onassiss Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! Wormhole, huh? If the article said the Universe began by falling into a mysterious rabbit hole, that would explain a lot more from my warped perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimera 12 Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! I'm going to assume my tried-and-true "wait and see" stance on this idea; if there actually is something to this theory, I'd expect it to convince at least some other experts and eventually catch on to the point where I hear about it again. I'm nowhere near good enough at higher math and theoretical physics to even try to check it for possible errors myself, I fear. (From a mostly-layman's perspective, mind, I agree with the comments on that site that state that this model just shifts the question from "where does our universe come from?" to "okay, so where did that other universe come from?". Even if shown to be plausible, it's not the Final Answer to the Great Question of the Ultimate Start Of All Things.) Not sure how I'd use this in a game just yet, either. The concept is a bit too, well, big for most conceivable groups of player characters to really interact with in a meaningful fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! I'm not a big fan of exotic cosmology ideas. I'm just a dumb stellar spectroscopist, and I like the quaint old ideas about observational tests and known physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! It's a perpetual Flush effect.....The Multiverse, is a toilet with the handle stuck down, heh. The Cthulu stuff is an interesting thought though. ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! Well, the idea that our universe might be the one which is responsible for causality violations and chronoentropic disintegration of other "nearby" universes is interesting. Sounds like a great possibility for a trans-cosmic plot arc: yes, there is a league of supers from other dimensions ... multiple ones ... trying to destroy our entire Universe. But, when confronted, it turns out that they are doing it to save a number ... perhaps an infinite number ... of other universes. Time for a great good-versus-good conundrum, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! The initial concept, and whole trend of discussion on this thread -- "cosmic crapper," "Lovecraftian horrors" -- actually reminds me of the official Hero Universe. The structure of its Multiverse is partly inspired by Kabbalism, including the concept of the Qliphoth. In the HU the Qliphoth is a "dark mirror" of the reality we know, made up of universes created before our own, so ancient and decayed that they're antithetical to matter, energy, and life as we know it. Many horrors dwell in or originate from the Qliphothic worlds, and some of godlike power have invaded our universe in the primordial past. The Qliphothic universes, and eventually all of reality, are indeed "draining" toward ultimate annihilation. The "drainhole," a type of multiversal black hole, could fairly be described as "God's sphincter": Quemetiel, or "Crowd of Gods," is an immeasurably huge and powerful, but insensate and mindless ring-shaped lifeform (or anti-lifeform) made up of the remnants of gods from destroyed worlds. It's constantly sucking existence through itself and into Unbeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Onassiss Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! I think I'm getting a migraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! I think there's a lot of potential here.......*contemplates* Certainly potential with the In Between bit..... ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! (From a mostly-layman's perspective' date=' mind, I agree with the comments on that site that state that this model just shifts the question from "where does our universe come from?" to "okay, so where did that [i']other[/i] universe come from?". Even if shown to be plausible, it's not the Final Answer to the Great Question of the Ultimate Start Of All Things.) Sure, but that's not the goal. As much as pop culture likes to think of the Big Bang as an iconic Beginning Of Everything, it's really just an event to be investigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceprincessecho Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! I've never really agreed with the "big problem" of unification. I think that if you treat electroweak the same as gravity, rather than attempting to force the other way around, it works much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mackinder Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! I want pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted April 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! You don't get to have Pie, all the time. Sometimes you have to settle for Cake. ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escafarc Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! You don't get to have Pie, all the time. Sometimes you have to settle for Cake. ~Rex You're right according to the Bad Translater: "I like pie" ...25 translations later we get: "I love cake" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! The initial concept' date=' and whole trend of discussion on this thread -- "cosmic crapper," "Lovecraftian horrors" -- actually reminds me of the official Hero Universe. The structure of its Multiverse is partly inspired by Kabbalism, including the concept of the [b']Qliphoth[/b]. In the HU the Qliphoth is a "dark mirror" of the reality we know, made up of universes created before our own, so ancient and decayed that they're antithetical to matter, energy, and life as we know it. Many horrors dwell in or originate from the Qliphothic worlds, and some of godlike power have invaded our universe in the primordial past. The Qliphothic universes, and eventually all of reality, are indeed "draining" toward ultimate annihilation. The "drainhole," a type of multiversal black hole, could fairly be described as "God's sphincter": Quemetiel, or "Crowd of Gods," is an immeasurably huge and powerful, but insensate and mindless ring-shaped lifeform (or anti-lifeform) made up of the remnants of gods from destroyed worlds. It's constantly sucking existence through itself and into Unbeing. Then presumably at the other end, Creation is a perpetual (not to mention Eternal) ongoing process by which new universes come into being, fall from "Grace" (i.e. manifest in entropic Time) and are inexorably drawn towards their ultimate dissolution and oblivion? Yeah, I've seen this idea before (over twenty years ago in fact.) But it's an awful lot to read into a very vague and brief piece of popular science journalism. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary thinks Lovecraft references are only called for if the scientists claim the wormholes contain actual WORMS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! Then presumably at the other end, Creation is a perpetual (not to mention Eternal) ongoing process by which new universes come into being, fall from "Grace" (i.e. manifest in entropic Time) and are inexorably drawn towards their ultimate dissolution and oblivion? Yeah, I've seen this idea before (over twenty years ago in fact.) But it's an awful lot to read into a very vague and brief piece of popular science journalism. I once read a remark by Roger Zelazny to the effect that the inspiration for his entire "Amber" series came from a line in one of Philip Jose Farmer's "World of Tiers" novels. You never know what a writer's fevered imagination will take flight from. And we're gamers, so we're even more fevered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: So....the Universe....Discuss! So basically, the Universe ('s) is a Lava Lamp........I wonder how that would effect some of the Warp Drive stuff out there in Science land.... ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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