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Re: [New Product] Champions Complete

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete I don't know whereabout you are in Montréal but last time I went there I think le Valet d'Coeur had pretty much everything except for the core book.

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete And HG could still use Champions: The Super Roleplaying Game instead of Champions Complete:p

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Ditto! But without the 70's haircut!

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete As an aside here I would say "not all of us". Upon reading that HERO Games was downsizing I went to the store and bought for about 250$ as a show of support. Your point is still valid though as it is difficult to say what proportion lies in the "cheap" category and how much in the "take my money" category. Still, doing this book is the best idea in a long time for HERO. People have been clamoring for quite a bit for this (Derek included) and having HG listen is a breath of fresh air. Derek has decided to walk the talk by actually doing the heavy lifting and I hope the supporters will put their money were their mouth are.

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete But you won't have to make that choice since the book comes with a free PDF right?

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Hi Memorax, I guess we just sopke on the SJGamesforum:) Actually,it's more like they are responding to request frommany fans that HERO should be done in a less wordy/more condensed/less example heavy/trying to cover every cornersand loopholes type of format. What they seem to aim for is a book more in line with Champions 4th (the Big Blue Book) format with all the refinements of HERO6th. I am myself very grateful they listened to the fans. 6E1 and 2 will still be available in PDF as "reference books". I agree with you that to stand up there against the competition, a color book would be better but it won't happen because it seems uneconomical. Looking at the online store Champions Powers, Champions Universe, Champions Villains 1, 2 and 3 (actually 3 is getting printed now) and Book of the Empress seems to be all in print. Only Champions is missing. I agree it would be nice to see Viper, Argent and UNTIL though.

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Sorry, actually you were clear the first time around. I just jumped to conclusion. Bad me, Bad!

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Hang on, I haven’t seen anyone complaining here. I think it is only natural that people supporting an upcoming products will throw around ideas, comments and questions with the goal of improving the product. I think that we all understand that whatever is put forward here has probably already being considered and rejected for good reasons. So why are people throwing ideas? Ok, I won’t speak for “people” but myself I am sometime just to make sure some small matter hasn’t been oversighted. You know, I’d be very worried if the only discussion in this thread would be about how we are thankful to Derek (which we are). I’d see it as lukewarm interest at best. This is the HERO community darn it, everyone has an opinion and loves the system enough to put it forward for consideration ! I already said as much in a previous mail but I don’t believe being thankful precludes throwing opinions in the air. At the same time I believe that having some people feel they have to jump in “defence” of the book against so called naysayer IS also healthy. It shows that people care. So far though I haven’t seen even a doubter on this thread let alone a naysayer. And, assuming I am this person, this is a perfect example of what esampson is saying. I don’t want a new character sheet. I don’t even use the character sheet because I use HERO Designer. The only reason I suggested it could be tweaked is because a lot (or at least some) people will look at the character sheet of a game to give them an advance idea of a system. Does it look cool, functional, complicated, organised, etc… The official character sheet, I’ll say it again, looks very good except that when you look at it, or when you look at an official write-up in any HERO book for that matter, the long list of characteristics make the game look more complicated than it is especially since past PRE : 1) Most characteristics are acronyms that might not be self evident to a newcomer 2) Most characteristics are duplicated in another functional section on the sheet. So my point is it might only need a slight reshuffling and the character write-ups in the book could organise the characteristics section a bit better instead of being shown as a seemingly long list of characteristics. I’d be happy to give it a go myself if only I had a working copy of the sheet and the appropriate software to modify it but since Derek was mentioning he believed no sheet would be included in the book, the point is probably moot

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Megaplaboy, I hear what you say and I agree with it BUT having a bunch of excited guys jumping around and asking questions and throwing wishful thinking is not a bad thing in my opinion. I haven't seen a single negative post so far only inquisitive or "daddy can I have that too!" kind of posts (yep, refering to my posts there). Here is another one that I just thought. Assuming there will be a Vehicle list in the book would it be possible to correct the weights of some vehicle? I don't have it around but I remember that they were only based on size of the vehicle instead of being adjusted to realistic weights (so tanks were way too lights).

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete This looks very promising. Making character creation easier to newcomers can only be good.

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete I actually consider it is a pretty good sheet but the long list of characteristics (top left) just make it look complicated. Having only 6 characteristics and all the others in their functional blocks make the sheet look less complex and more organised. I'd say that if the presentation of the book change a bit to make it more condense/concise/easy to reference/organised, a look should be taken at the character sheet as well. How many people crack open a book straight to the character sheet to get a first feeling of the game? This reinforce my preference to have a coloured interior. Sure the cost might be higher to produce but I thought part of the deal with Cryptic was to have access to there library of concept art? Not sure if the library is substantial or if the drawings are of quality. It’s probably too late at this point anyway. I wonder if a Kickstarter specifically to cover the extra cost for a colour version would have been possible (KS succeed= full colour version; KS fail=B&W interior). Oh well, only speculation anyway. Cool. Any change to the Hit Location Chart or the STUN multiplier rolls (RE “Killing attack in 6E” thread)?  (Half-kidding here) True. Personally, the only ones I cannot stand are OMCV and DMCV. Four letters acronym are a bit much (I would have preferred OMV and DMV). Like I said, anything else I consider totally acceptable jargon and I hope non-HEROphiles would agree. Will the Champions be featured in the book or all the characters will be originals?? Is “Champions Complete” really evocative enough as a title? Unfortunately, what would have been a perfect title for the book “Champions : The Super Roleplaying Game” was already given to the genre book. I ask because the title doesn’t strike me with a “wow! I want to play this game!” feeling. Not that I have anything better to offer though. Champions Core or Champions Core Roleplaying Game or Champions Complete Roleplaying Game? Might sound better than just Complete. Champions Homestead or Champions HQ? You know, a new home for Champions. Champions and Villains? Champions and Sidekicks? Too much like M&M? Champions Classic or Champions the Classic Roleplaying Game? Would probably confuse people with previous editions. Champions Deluxe? I am not a fan of the “deluxe” appellation personally. Espacially for a B&W book. The New Champions ? People might expect a team with different members in it. Champions of Millenium City ? Might be confused with Champions the New Millenium. Well, I might not have anything spectacular but I am pretty sure that something better than “Complete” can be found. Oh and one last thing, no matter the title, the interior or what not, thank you for doing this book.

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Put me an the "Hell yea!" camp. This is an insta-buy for me. As a writer, Derek is unknown to me as is Ruben. As for Sam, I'd like a more vivid piece than was done for Beyond. I like the cover of Beyond except for Star*Guard himself which I think looks funny-weird. The whole concept is great IMHO and my only reservation is about interior B&W. All the current super games are in color so reclaiming the crown would most likely require a similar treatment. Even more so if Champions Complete is the new core book. A couple of questions/requests : 1) Will the character sheets be reworked. There is a lot of duplication on the first page (mostly all the characteristics except the 6 basic ones are listed twice) and as such I think it would help make the sheet look simpler by keeping the former derived in the appropriate (combat, defense,etc...) sections. 2) Will Champions Complete use 100% vanilla HERO or will it make some assumptions based on toolkitting or Advanced Player's Guides rules (DEX cost 1pt, HAP, Disadvantages don't give back points but give back HAP when uses in game, whatever you judge would be beneficial to simulate comic books)? 3) Will it completely omit stuff not usually used in Champions games (Hit Location chart, Disabling/Impairing rules,etc...)? 4) Will it change/revise/update rules that you might find needs it since 6E was released? 5) Will you try to eliminate jargon that newcomer might find too opaque? As a long time HERO gamer I kind of fail to see which expressions would be the offenders but I guess OCV/DCV/OMCV/DMCV might be ones?

Re: [New Product] Champions Complete

Re: TUALA MORN -- Interested In More Stuff? Sure but is still sounds ugly to my francophone ears But of course and I wasn't suggesting otherwise. The map is done, the book is written, changing names now would be asking for trouble.

Re: TUALA MORN -- Interested In More Stuff? Looking forward to it. Just looked at the map and I can see three annoyances though. 1) The use of direct real name. That was kind of expected looking at Tuala Morn and the very name of this supplement but... 2) Coupled with the fact they are not even placed at the "right" place geographically, it's a bit annoying. 3) The name of the capital. It just doesn't sound right with all the rest of the names which are French derivative.

Re: StrikeForce for Champions

Re: StrikeForce for Champions Ok thanks, will read it as soon as it arrives.

Re: StrikeForce for Champions Would someone care to elaborate what is so great about it?

Re: Stratospheric Punch for 6E

Re: StrikeForce for Champions Hey thanks! I'm not the OP but I went there anyway and bought some stuff I wanted for a while like Strikeforce and Watcher of the Dragons. I have no clue what is so great about Strikeforce but since it seems like everyone is raving about it...

Re: The Fires of Heaven now in store For some reason the bundle is available but both the book and PDF still are. Any chance it will become available again?

Re: So Easy Even A Nine-Year-Old Can Do It! I just realized the Kid Flash sheet isn't there though. Any chance you could share?

Re: So Easy Even A Nine-Year-Old Can Do It! Wow! That's cool!!