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2 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said:

 

 

I have not watched all of the Batman and Superman movies, so maybe I am overlooking a scene.

 

However, doesn't a scene where a Hero who is in no imminent danger, and has plenty of time to save the bystanders around him, who looks someone pleading with him to help a trapped person who will die in minutes if not freed, and saying "Screw you - you got yourselves into this mess, I'm not lifting a finger to help.  You can either figure out a way to save your father, leave him to die, or watch him die and maybe die yourself in the process.  Hey, maybe your Dad will off himself to force you to save your own life." seem at least somewhat grim and dark?

Yes, and they even discuss it later in the movie and he says he made an enemy and regrets his decision. And when he and Mera talk about it, you can see how much it bothers him that he would make that decision. Not something you see in the other movies as much, though Superman obviously anguishes over having to kill Zod.

I think part of the "death and dark" thing is whether you show the heroes actively trying to help people/save lives. Original Christopher Reeve Superman showed him doing small things, Cap in New York going out of his way (leaving Hawkeye and Widow alone) to make sure emergency workers got people out safely (also in AoU rescuing people before the big kaboom). As was pointed out earlier, you never saw Superman in MoS even trying to move the fights or save citizens other then breaking Zod's neck. In JL, he and Flash were specifically getting people out of the combat zone. WW was trying to save an entire town. Aquaman specifically went and made sure the sailors were ok.

I think that is the difference in tone. Are the people around just scenery to be blown through.

Wow, 2 pages in and I don't feel like I made a mistake liking it as people explain why I shouldn't have. This really was an epic win for DC. Usually by now I am not coming into the thread because of the number of posters who disliked the movie and explained why, and I agree that some of the points make sense and begin to feel like I shouldn't have liked the movie. But this time seems like everything is mostly positive.

I always figured that the purpose of Watership Down was to show that Monty Python was right about rabbits.

42 minutes ago, death tribble said:

Is that not the same type of Russian sub that Black Manta and Aquaman were in earlier ? Yes it is.

I actually think it wasn't meant to be a subterfuge. I think we were supposed to realize that was the same sub Manta had taken. As Mera points out, it was all a little to coincidental and her father and audience aren't supposed to be that stupid. Of course Ocean Master is making a setup. I liked that they used the scene with Mera to show that her father wasn't an idiot and knew it was a setup.

L.O.R.D. Legend of the ravaged dynasties. Cgi motion capture anime movie. I went to Wikipedia to figure out who is who, and still took whole movie to have a clue. Pretty and interesting premise, but I feel like their is a series or manga of back story I don't know.

He also has the advantage, to a lesser degree, that WW has. He has been superbly trained in combat. I like that the portrayal now is that both of them are near or equal to Batman in HTH and superior in weapons, though Batman's skill probably has a lot more underhanded/dirty tricks and theirs are more war/duel style.

Saw Bumblebee other day, and they really needed to cast the kid who played the brother as young Billy Baxton. He looks like a 12 year old Zachary Levi. I know Shazam isn't supposed to look like adult version normally, but I think would have given better impression of grown up version of Billy.

13 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said:

Some minor nigglies.  Pushing the sub to the surface felt more like Superman (or Namor...) than Aquaman.  Jumping out of the plane seemed too durable for Atlanteans as well.  However, I can see the desire to power up Movie Aquaman to be competitive with the rest of the JLA.

 

I think we can kiss goodbye to any chance of an MCU Sub-Mariner movie, as it would seem clearly derivative.  Aquaman was presented with Namor's strength and toughness, and the hunt for the trident was akin to the classic search for Neptune's trident back in the '60s.  The Crab People seemed a lot like Attuma's tribes as well.  I can't think of much Classic Namor that was not covered in the Aquaman movie.

 

In the reboot a few years back, when Cyborg became a JLer, Aquaman and WW both got major upgrades (she basically got upgraded to one tier down from Supes in invuln and strength, but had major combat advantages. one of the great things in the WW/Supes was her training him and the fight with Zod and his general right after arriving on earth so weakended, were great, as Supes would hold his own against one while Diana would kick the snot out of the other) both got major upgrades, and the search for the trident/finding his mom were straight from that, as were the deep ones etc. He, if anything, became more powerful then Namor, as he doesn't lose his strength by being on land (desert yes with dehydration, but not just normal land). It was actually a really nice boost for him and long needed.

Their will be extreme spoilers in this, stop reading if you are just looking for opinions on whether good or not. I enjoyed it, I know people say WW was better, and probably is, but if I had seen this first, not sure I would agree. Definitely DC shedding the Dark Knight style of every hero.

I thought the outfit actually fit and looked functional and good. Also, I believe the tidal wave was probably Xebel's doing, as controlling water is their power. I thought Mamoa was great and brought across a combination of nobility and vulnerability. He showed remorse over the death of Manta's father, realizing that Manta being his enemy was all on him. The storyline is almost straight out of the reboot from 4-5 years ago, including his mom being alive. Thought they did a good job of showing that Aquaman isnt a joke. I do have a problem with the timeline, a bit. When Mera first goes to him, it is after the defeat of Steppenwolfe, but he and everyone else acted like he had never been to Atlantis, so, other then Vulko, how would he have known about the boxes and the secret location he swam DIRECTLY to they were being kept. Thought they did a great job of showing just how powerful Mera was and for the most part Heard pulled her off. I liked the dichotomy of the 2 fights with Orm and Arthur, and that both ended with the same look on the "losers" face. Oh, and I loved the Kirbyesque look and I would compare, as above did to Wakanda and Asgard.

10 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said:

That's the Jools Pete Townshend was referring to in "Jools and Jim", isn't it? The one he chided by saying she "listened to love with her intellect"?

Unlikely, as Jools Holland is a male british host who, not sure if still going on, hosted a musical variety show. Every episode usually ran a gambit of style and generations. You would see a brand new band on the same episode that had Pete Townsend or Paul McCartney. It has been being repeated on what used to be Palladia and is now MTV Live.

Wonder if they will bring black lightning into crisis.

Just rewatched The Shadow. I may be in the minority, but I really liked Baldwin's Shadow, and the characters in it. John Lone was excellent as the over the top Shiwan Khan, Tim Curry made a great toady. Loved the representation of how he "Knows" whats going on, with informants all over the city feeding him information. Really wish had been popular enough to do more. Now, given he does tv, wish they would do a series. I liked that they didn't make him uber powerful.

I wish Batwoman wasn't a streamed show on CW. I wouldn't mind watching it, especially now that Psycho Pirate is revealed, although he seems to have more to do with Crisis.

In the DC thread, someone mentioned parts and actors that seemed perfect fits. Perlman and Hellboy seemed one of those to me. Also, he dressed up as Hellboy for a kid with cancer(?) and bought him and his family and the whole crew lunch. I love stories like that, especially as he allowed them to put the whole makeup on him, which was a PITA.

1 hour ago, Greywind said:

...like The Mask.

If they played it like the Jim Carrey Mask, would be perfect I think.

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5 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said:

IIRC, SPECTRE's operation was an overly ambitious revenge plot. The coding device was the bait, 007 the quarry, and the Russian agent an unwitting pawn in the hands of a chessmaster (literally). It was surprising the extraordinary lengths they went to to kill one man.

Actually, like DT said, they wanted the device. 007's death would have been a cherry on top. The convoluted part was that they wanted the device without exposing their own agents in the kgb and with England being blamed. This is actually one of the movies that followed the plot of the couple short stories pretty well.

22 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

 

Between that movie and this one, the studio changed their minds?

I wonder if she did the bubble around the 2 of them for privacy more then being able to talk.

On 12/4/2018 at 1:05 PM, Cassandra said:

An Evil Doll!  The New Girl falls for a Monster!  The return of Professor Stein (sort of)!  Wow!

I think we are also seeing the start/continuation (depending how you look at it) of a bigger conflict between Nate and his Dad here regarding the usage of the captured monsters.

2 hours ago, death tribble said:

Saw the thread title briefly and read it as 'Godzilla, King of the Mobsters'. He really will make you an offer you cannot refuse.

Can't wait for the look on Batman's face when he breaks into the Boss' house and Big G is there.

Oh, about the trailer : SQUEEEEEEEE!!!! that is all.

2 hours ago, zslane said:

This movie looks magnificent.

 

I loved the 2014 Godzilla movie, and this one is shaping up to be a worthy successor. On a side note, I couldn't get through the first act of Kong: Skull Island because of how braindead the insertion team behaved when trying to land itself on the island. I'm really hoping it won't be required viewing for the Kong vs. Godzilla movie being developed next.

agreed wholeheartedly. My brother hates that every movie has to escalate. First KK movie, one T-Rex. 2nd one bigger T-Rex. latest one, not just 1 but 2 and KK only being a young'un having to face them.

5 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said:

It reminds me of one of my favorite late-night movies growing up, the classic French comedy/satire The Tall Blond Man with One Black Shoe, in which a duel for control of an espionage operation hinges of the surveillance of a randomly-chosen airline passenger. it's a perfect send-up of (and antidote to) Cold War/Watergate paranoia which struck a chord with American art-house audiences.

That was remade in America with Tom Hanks called the Man with one Red Shoe. Very funny and well done. Since I hadn't seen original, can't compare them.

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 12:43 PM, megaplayboy said:

I think it wasn't a turn towards "realism" that turned many fans away from the Iron/Dark Age of Comics, it was the turn towards cynicism.  The government is always portrayed as alternatively corrupt or indifferent or oppressive.  The heroes are self-serving, have terrible personal flaws and morals barely better than the villains they fight. 

That said, it's pretty easy to turn Superman's origin story into a horror story.  Aliens sent one of their own here to infiltrate and destroy us.  Of course, Species already did this story.  

I would point out Dragon Ball Z used this also. Goku was basically a weapon sent to destroy resistance on earth.

so, regarding Clint as Ronin, guess we got the answer of whether his family disappeared. Also, I know is canon, but I wonder if him taking up mantle of Ronin isn't sort of an inside joke, as Renner has at least 2-3 times been the actor designated to replace someone in a big series (Mission Impossible and Bourne come to mind).

Well, Scott did grow out of the quantum zone using only his suit before.