Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

[Solomon]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

Not exactly a web link, but there was a Rolemaster book, "... and a ten foot pole" IIRC, that was essentially one huge equipment list. I think it listed weight for several mundane items as well as weapons and armors. I'd have to look it up.

[Old Man]

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A few more:

 

mt. everest ~357 trillion lb (dtarting from base camp at 17,500 ft)

 

uh-60 blackhawk helicopter 20,000 lb MGTW

M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank 70 tons

 

atlas rocket total liftoff weight incl. payload 413,000 lb

 

 

USS MISSOURI (BB63)

Class: Iowa-class battleship

Length: 887 feet 3 inches

Beam: 108 feet 3 inches

Draft: 34 feet 9 1/4 inches

Weight: 58,000 tons (full load)

Speed: In excess of 30 knots

Boilers: Eight 600 PSI Babcock & Wilcox

Main Engines: Four geared GE turbines

Anchors: Two 30,000 lb. anchors - port and starboard

Armor: The main armor belt of the hull is 13.5" thick

WWII Crew: 134 Officers, 2,400 enlisted

Prior to decommissioning: Navy officers 64, Marine Corp officers 2, Navy enlisted 1,500, 38 Marines.

Main Gun Battery: Nine 16"/50 caliber guns in three turrets, with 2,700 lb armor piercing projectiles and

1,900 lb high capacity projectiles. Rate of fire

- two rounds per min. per gun.

Following the 1987 reactivation, Missouri deployed Tomahawk Cruise Missiles.

[Lord Liaden]

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Was it Champions II or Champions III that had an entire page of weights of stuff? It included off-the-cuff values for comic-booky things like "Alien Spacecraft" (small, medium, and large, no less).

 

I had a copy of that sheet in my Hero Reference Notebook, but it is long gone. Anyway, it was a great reference for Champions.

 

That was in Champions II, p.16 - it even includes DEF, BODY and DCV modifier for each item. There are over a hundred itemslisted , everything from mailboxes to garbage trucks to ICBM's. I'm not sure how much firsthand research was done making it up, though, or how it would compare to current standards. There are some discrepancies between these values and ones given on the Strength Chart in FREd, not to mention the vehicle writeups in TUV. It's unlikely that Steve would want to use it as a reference for Ultimate Brick, but I agree that it's very handy if you just want some stats to cover impromptu actions.

 

One reason why I like to hang onto older Hero Games books is that they often contain little gems like these that don't make it into newer editions.

[lemming]

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OTOH' date=' if anyone actually knows the weight of a telephone pole, they are keeping the information to themselves. I found something I could estimate from, so that'll have to do. [/quote']

Ok, just started going through stumpers where some people discussed weight of telephone polls:

I had one that was 94 feet out of the ground in Canoga Park, CA in the mid '60s. Only had a TH6 and a 402BA on it so it was pretty lightly loaded. It was 110 feet long overall. 22 inches diameter at the butt and about 9 inches at the top if I remember right. Weighed about 4500 pounds!!

(Trail trivia: a telephone pole weighs 3,000 pounds, so a bridge using two poles as stringers weighs over 6,000 pounds!)

 

• Bonfire commision data from aggie bonfire accident
  
• On steel poles
  
• Unrelated Caber tossing
  
• Spun Concrete Poles Mainly lights
  

 

Whoop. Out of time.

[SkyKnight]

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I wouldn't mind seeing a "random grab" chart for different settings. When you want to pick up a heavy thing and hurl it or beat someone over the head with it. You could have charts for things like Office, house/apartment, demolished building et cetera.

 

Brick: "Can I pick up a beam or something and clobber him over the head with it?"

 

GM: "Let me see." Rolls, cross references on the "Office" table. "Yes, you grab a box of copy paper, DEF 2, 5 BODY. Roll to Hit."

 

Or maybe this is too simplistic to bother putting in a book. I'm a pretty lazy GM.

[Trebuchet]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

Modern diesel-electric locomotive engines weigh between 120 and 200 English tons (110 - 180 metric tonnes). Newer ones tend toward the heavier end of the range, with most being 180 tons or more.

[Steve Long]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

I found that Stumpers listing, too. It seems in no way definitive.

[Hugh Neilson]

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I found that Stumpers listing' date=' too. It seems in no way definitive. [/quote']

 

Just say "In the Chamions Universe, telephone poles weigh..."

 

Whatever Hero says is definitive in CU, isn't it?

[lemming]

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I found that Stumpers listing' date=' too. It seems in no way definitive. [/quote']

Well, it did seem very variable depending on where. Follow the link to the caber tossing. They had the whole range of scottish throwing devices with weights.

 

Instead of supers playing baseball, we need them to have scottish games.

[Sociotard]

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plenty of density related stuff, which shouldn't be too hard. Just list the volume for a 1 hex space 2 meters high and a whole bunch of equivalent masses. Lets see

The volume of a 1 hex space should be 9.52 m^3, or 9,520 Liters. Therefore

 

A1hex space of

• water weighs 9,520 kg
  
  
• Sea water weighs 9,758 kg
  
  
• Beer weighs 9,615 kg
  
  
• Gold weighs 183,926 kg
  
  
• Stainless Steel weighs between 71,210 and 76,160 kg
  
  
• Maple wood weighs about 7,188 kg
  
  
• Apples (including empty space) 6100 kg
  
  

Go to http://www.simetric.co.uk for a slew of densities.

[Vondy]

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Best car I ever owned:

 

1975 Cadillac Seville: Weight:

5620 / 5742

American steel. 472 cubic inch stock engine. 11 miles to the gallon.

 

Yes, that's right. It weighs two tons.

[Solomon]

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My first car was an old A112. Weight: 650 Kg.

 

Weight of a 2-Euros coin: 8,5 gram

Weight of a 1-Eurocent coin: 2,3 gram

What about Dollar coins?

[Steve Long]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

Just say "In the Chamions Universe, telephone poles weigh..."

 

Whatever Hero says is definitive in CU, isn't it?

 

Well, yeah -- but this isn't a CU book. It's an Ultimate book, and therefore has to present general rules, not campaign-specific rules. The only connection it's going to have to the CU at all is the example superhuman bricks in Chapter Three.

[BobGreenwade]

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Well' date=' yeah -- but this isn't a CU book. It's an Ultimate book, and therefore has to present general rules, not campaign-specific rules. The only connection it's going to have to the CU at all is the example superhuman bricks in Chapter Three.[/quote'] Given the brief discussion on caber tossing earlier, maybe one of them should be a burly "man's man" Scot for Pulp Hero (unless you already have a sample for that genre in place).

 

I'm assuming, of course, that you're including samples from multiple genres -- a Heavy or Korundar from the Terran Empire period, a fantasy type from the Turakian Age, and so forth -- and not just Champions characters.

 

(We now return to our regular discussion on weights of things....)

[Intrope]

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Canyonero: 65 tons (OK, it's a fictional vehicle--but what else is Bulldozer gonna' drive, anyway?)

 

And since a lot of people have offered up building weights, let me suggest building materials, like pallets of lumber, yards of concrete, I-beams, etc.?

 

Also (for premodern bricks) how about livestock?

[BoneDaddy]

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Also (for premodern bricks) how about livestock?

Fechez la vache!

[Dust Raven]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

I'm not sure where to look, but here are some things that should probably be included.

 

Crates/Pallets (empty/packing peanuts, or full of books, ancient artifacts, weapons, computer equipment, etc)

Boxes (like for moving)

A sarcophagus (with or without mummy)

Statues (1:1 - 1:1.5 scale, marble, bronze, etc.)

A stone fountain (brawl at the park anyone?)

Playground equipment/jungle gym

Doors (we know the DEF & BODY, but what if I just want to push one open?)

[L. Marcus]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

Fechez la vache!

Qoui?

[BobGreenwade]

Re: Ultimate Brick -- What Things Weigh

 

Since you've already included the HERO System 5th Edition on the list, how about weights for various other popular and largely standardized books such as Gray's Anatomy or the Physician's Desk Reference? Of course, you'd have to skip stuff with multiple printings, bindings, and the like, such as the King James Bible or The Complete Works of Shakespeare. You could throw in the Old Farmer's Almanac, a random volume of the Encyclopedia Britannica, or anything else with a more or less standard size and weight for good measure.

 

The weight of audio and video equipment, such as might be found in a TV studio or with a TV field crew, might be a good idea too. They're always likely missiles during a superhero fight, not to mention that many of the industry's top field camera operators (such as Lincoln Weiss) are pretty good in the physical-strength department.

 

Oh, and you simply must include the Titanic!

[PhilFleischmann]

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So far the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx both top the list. They each weigh approx. 6.4 megatons' date=' meaning you'd need a 140 STR to lift 'em.[/quote']

This can't be right. The pyramid is MUCH larger than the Sphinx. Even the other two smaller pyramids nearby are much larger. And they're all made of the same material.

 

And speaking of material, it would be nice to have the weights of various materials, say by the cubic meter.

 

A cubic meter of stone (perhaps break it down by different types of stone: granite, marble, cooled lava, etc.)

dirt, mud

water

salt water

ice

sand

concrete

brick, hardened clay

glass

plastic (various types?)

steel, iron, lead, aluminum, copper, gold, mercury

air (!)

wood: maple, mahogany, balsa

garbage, sewage

paper, cardboard (books)

styrofoam

oil, gasoline

 

Also square meters of:

cloth: cotton, denim, leather, silk, boat's sail

pane glass, pyrex, fiberglass

pressboard

sod

paper, cardboard

plastic of various types/thicknesses

carpet, astroturf

 

Also a meter of:

rope/string/twine - various types and thicknesses

chain - various types and thicknesses

wood: 2x4, tree branches, telephone poles, etc.

wire, cable

pipe - metal, pvc

 

Things:

lamppost, traffic light (pole and light), trees of various types and sizes.

 

How much does Big Ben weigh? Big Ben originally refered only to the biggest of the bells in the tower. How much does one of those big bells weigh? The Liberty Bell? The Colossus of Rhodes? Sedna?

[Balok]

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This isn't exactly the weights of common objects, but it is the weights of common substances. So when Goldbrick turns that table to gold before he throws it, the GM will know how much heavier it should be:

 

Weights of Common Substances

 

There's also the WebElements periodic table if you want information of pure elements.

[BoneDaddy]

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Qoui?

The following link should explain all.

 

Just scroll past the Live at the Hollywood Bowl pictures

 

http://www.neilinnes.org/galleri/pythgal.htm

 

all will be revealed.

[Dust Raven]

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This can't be right. The pyramid is MUCH larger than the Sphinx. Even the other two smaller pyramids nearby are much larger. And they're all made of the same material.

 

 

I thought the pyramids were pretty much hallow. Not completely, but there lots of rooms inside. The sphinx is solid stone, on top of solid stone. A smaller pyramid might be about the same weight.

[Vondy]

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Minimum fissile material needed to sustain a nuclear reaction (achieve critical mass) in spherical geometry for weapons grade purposes are:

 

Bare sphere: 56 kg (U-235) or 11 kg (Pu-239)

Thick Tamper: 15 kg (U-235) or 5 kg (Pu-239)

 

Some US scientists think it can be done with 1 KG of Pu-239.

 

And here is a link with the weights of US and Russian nuclear weapons, just in case you need to throw one into outer space...

 

Warhead	Yield	Type	Fuzing	# Made	Service	Weight	Size
Mk-1	15-16 Kt		A	5	Service	8,900lb	28" x 120"
Mk-3	18-49 Kt		A	120	Service	10,300lb	60" x 128"
Mk-4	1-32 Kt		A	550	Service	10,800-10,900lb	60" x 128"
Mk-5	6-120 Kt		A or C	140	Service	3,025-3,125lb	43.75" x 129" or 132"
Mk-6	8-160 Kt		A or C	1100	Service	7,600-8,500lb	61" x 128"
Mk-7	8-61 Kt		A or C	1700-1800	7/52 - 2/63. 1967	1,645-1,700lb	61" x 128"
Mk-8	25-30 Kt		F	40	11/51 - 5/53. 6/57	3,230-3,280lb	14.5" x 116" or 132"
Mk-11	25-30 Kt		F	40	1956 - 1957. 1960	3,210-3,500lb	14" x 147"
Mk-12	12-14 kT		T or C	250	12/54 - 2/57. 7/58	1,000-1,200lb	22" x 155"
Mk-14	5-7 Mt		A	5	Recycled into Mk-17s by 9/56	28,954-31,000lb	61.4" x 222" or 223.5'
Mk-15	1.6-3.9 Mt		A	1500	Service	7,600lb	34.4" x 140"
Mk-16	6-8 MT		A	5	Stockpiled 1-3/54	39,000-42,000lb	61.4" x 296.7"
Mk-17	10-15 MT		A or C	200	7/54 - 11/55. 11/56	41,400-42,000lb	61.4" x 296.7"
Mk-18	500 kT		A or C	90	3/53 - 2/55. 1956	8,600lb	60" x 128"
Mk-21	4-5 MT		A/C/L	275	12/55 - 7/56. Second half of 1957	15,000-17,700lb	58" x 150"
Mk-24	10-15 MT		A or C	105	7/54 - 11/55. 1956	41,400-42,000lb	61.4" x 296.7"
Mk-28	70 Kt - 1.1 Mt		A or C	4500	Service	1,700-2,320lb	22" x 170"
Mk-36	9-10 MT		A/C/R	940	Service	17,500-17,700lb	58" x 150"
Mk-39	3-4 MT		A/C/RL	700	Service	6,650-6,750lb	35" x 140"
Mk-41	25 MT		RA/C/L	500	Service	10,500-10,670lb	52" x 148"
Mk-43	70 Kt - 1 Mt		RA/C/L	1000	Service	2,060-2,125lb	18" x 150" or 164"
Mk-53	9 MT		RA/C/L	350	Service	8,850-8,900lb	50" x 150"
Mk-57	5-20 Kt		RA/C/L	3100	Service	490-510lb	14.75" x 118"
Mk-61	80-340 Kt		RA/C/L	3150	Service	695-716lb	13.3" x 141"
Mk-83	Low Kt to 1.2 Mt		RA/CL	650	Service	2,400lb	18" x 145"

 

 

 

Russian ICBMs

 

 

Missile	Stages	Range	CEP	RV	Yield	Throw   Weight	Weight	Length	Dia.
SS-6 Sapwood	2 L			1	3-5-MT	3-5-MT	295000 kg.	30.5 m.	2.95 m.
SS-7 Saddler	2 L			1	20-MT	20-MT	102000 kg.	31.8 m.	2.8 m.
SS-8 Sasin	2 L			1	20-MT	20-MT	102000 kg.	31.8 m.	2.8 m.
SS-9 Scarp	2 L			1/3	25-MT / -kT	25-MT / -kT	190000 kg.	36 m.	3.1 m.
SS-10 Scrag	2 L			1/3	25-MT / -kT	25-MT / -kT	190000 kg.	36 m.	3.1 m.
SS-11 Sego	2 L			1/3	1-MT / 250-kT	1-MT / 250-kT	41410 kg.	20.0 m.	2.0 m.
SS-12 Scaleboard	2 L			1/3	1-MT / 250-kT	Throw Weight	41410 kg.	20.0 m.	2.0 m.
SS-13 Savage	3 S			1	750-kT	Throw Weight	35000 kg.	20 m.	1.7 m.
SS-14 Scamp	3 S			1	600-kT	Throw Weight	34090 kg.	20.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-15 Scrooge	3 S			1	600-kT	600-kT	34090 kg.	20.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-16 Sinner	3 S			1	600-kT	600-kT	34090 kg.	20.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-17 Spanker	2 L			4	750-kT	Throw Weight	65000 kg.	24 m.	2.5 m.
SS-18 Satan	2 L		250 m.	10*	500-kT	Throw Weight	214000 kg.	35 m.	3.0 m.
SS-19 Stiletto	2 L			6	500-kT	Throw Weight	90445 kg.	20.0 m.	2.5 m.
SS-20 Saber	2 S			3	150-kT	Throw Weight	18181 kg.	16.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-21 Scarab	2 S	8.7-74.6 mi.	50-100 m.	1	10-kT / 100-kT	10-kT / 100-kT	3000 kg.	6.0 m.	0.85 m.
SS-23 Spider	2 S	50-311 mi.	300 m.	1	200-kT	200-kT	18181 kg.	16.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-24 Scapel	3 S			10	300-kT	Throw Weight	100000 kg.	21.25 m.	2.0 m.
SS-25 Sickel	3 S			1	550-kT	Throw Weight	37070 kg.	18.0 m.	1.7 m.

 

* The SS-18 has the capacity to carry 14 warheads but is restricted to 10 by the SALT II Treaty.

US ICBMs

 

Missile	IOC	#	St.	Range	CEP	RV	Yield	Throw   Weight	Launch   Weight	Length	Dia.
Atlas D	9/59	127	2 L	16673 km.		1 W-49	1.44-MT	1.44-MT	115668 kg.	25.2 m.	3.05 m.
Atlas E/F	9/59	127	2 L	18507 km.		1 W-38	3.75-MT	3.75-MT	117936 kg.	25.2 m.	3.05 m.
Titan I	4/62	54	2 L	12875 km.		1 W-38	3.75-MT	3.75-MT	99792 kg.	29.9 m.	3.05 m.
Titan II	IOC	54	2 L	15000 km.		1 W-53	9-MT	9-MT	149688 kg.	31.4 m.	3.05 m.
Minuteman I	11/62	800	3 S	10000 km.		1 W-56/W-59	1.3-MT	1.3-MT	29400 kg.	17.0 m.	1.84 m.
Minuteman II	IOC	1000	3 S	11250 km.		1 W-56	1.2-MT	1.2-MT	31750 kg.	18.2 m.	1.84 m.
Minuteman III	IOC	1000	3 S	13000 km.	300/200 m.	3 W-62/W-78	200-kT/350-kT	0.6-MT/1.05-MT	34500 kg.	18.2 m.	1.84 m.
Peacekeeper	86	50	4 S	14000 km.	100 m.	10 W-87	300-kT	3 MT	87727 kg.	21.6 m.	2.33 m.

 

 

US SLBMs and SLCMs

 

Missile	IOC	#	St.	Range	CEP	RV	Yield	Throw   Weight	Launch   Weight	Length	Dia.
Polaris A-1	-	-	2 S	2305 km.	2000 m.	1 W47	500-kT	0.5-MT	8536 kg.	8.53 m.	1.27 m.
Polaris A-2	-	-	2 S	2884 km.	2000 m.	1 W47	500-kT	0.5-MT	13607 kg.	9.37 m.	1.27 m.
Polaris A-3	-	-	2 S	4810 km.	1000 m.	3 W58	200-kT	0.6 MT	15909 kg.	9.85 m.	1.27 m.
Poseidon	1971	-	2 S	5394 km.	500 m.	10* W68	50-kT	0.5-MT	29545 kg.	10.36 m.	1.88 m.
Trident I C-4	1979	-	3 S	7298 km.	250-500 m.	8 W76	100-kT	0.8-MT	31818 kg.	10.39 m.	1.88 m.
Trident II D-5	1990	-	3 S	11523 km.	250 m.	8* W76/W88	100-kT/475-kT	0.8-MT/3.8-MT	57272 kg.	13.96 m.	2.10 m.

 

 

Russian SLBM and SLCMs

 

Missile	Stages	Range	CEP	RV	Yield	Throw   Weight	Weight	Length	Dia.
SS-N-2 Styx	1 L	50-112 mi.	930-1500 m.	1	40-kT / 100-kT	40-kT / 100-kT	6370 kg.	11.4 m.	0.84 m.
SS-N-3 Shaddock	1 L	1250 mi.	2400 m.	1	1-MT	1-MT	27215 kg.	20.7 m.	1.6 m.
SS-N-6 Sawfly	2 L	2175 mi.		1/1/2	700-kT/600-kT/350-kT	-	60000 kg.	25 m.	2.44 m.
SS-N-7 Siren	2 L			W	3-5-MT	-	295000 kg.	30.5 m.	2.95 m.
SS-N-8	2 L			1	20-MT	20-MT	102000 kg.	31.8 m.	2.8 m.
SS-N-9 Starbright	2 L			1	20-MT	20-MT	102000 kg.	31.8 m.	2.8 m.
SS-N-12 Sandbox	2 L			1/3	25-MT / -kT	25-MT / -kT	190000 kg.	36 m.	3.1 m.
SS-N-14 Silex	2 L			1/3	25-MT / -kT	25-MT / -kT	190000 kg.	36 m.	3.1 m.
SS-N-15 Starfish	2 L			1/3	1-MT / 250-kT	1-MT / 250-kT	41410 kg.	20.0 m.	2.0 m.
SS-N-16 Stallion	2 L			1/3	1-MT / 250-kT	Throw Weight	41410 kg.	20.0 m.	2.0 m.
SS-N-17 Snipe	3 S			1	750-kT	Throw Weight	35000 kg.	20 m.	1.7 m.
SS-N-18 Stingray	3 S			1	600-kT	Throw Weight	34090 kg.	20.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-N-19 Shipwreck	3 S			1	600-kT	600-kT	34090 kg.	20.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-N-20 Sturgeon	3 S			1	600-kT	600-kT	34090 kg.	20.5 m.	1.8 m.
SS-N-21 Sampson	2 L			4	750-kT	Throw Weight	65000 kg.	24 m.	2.5 m.
SS-N-22 Sunburn	2 L		250 m.	10*	500-kT	Throw Weight	214000 kg.	35 m.	3.0 m.
SS-N-23 Skiff	2 L			10	100-kT	-	90445 kg.	20.0 m.	2.5 m.
SS-N-24	2 S			3	150-kT	Throw Weight	18181 kg.	16.5 m.	1.8 m.

 

 

U.S. Nuclear Free-Fall Bombs

 

 

 

Nuclear Bomb	Yield	= to how many Hiroshima blasts	Type	Weight of Bomb
B28	70kt to 1.45 MT	4.6 - 95	Fusion	919kg-1152kg (2,026-2,540 lb)
B43	1MT	66.6	Fusion	934kg-971kg (2,060-2,141 lb)
B53	9MT	600	Fusion	4014kg (8,850 lb)
B57	5kT to 10kT	0.3 - 0.6	Fission	231kg-322kg (509-710 lb)
B61	10kT to 500kT	0.6 - 33.3	Boosted Fission	326kg-347kg (719-765 lb)
B83	1-2 MT	66.6-133.3	Fission	1092kg (2,407 lb)

 

[Steve Long]

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Wow, that's a nicely detailed li'l table there, Von. Much thanx!