Starlord Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 How does a supertough being feel pleasure, much less anything? Wouldn't superhard skin negate any feeling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure I've moved this to the Champions board, since it seems relevant to a discussion of superheroes rather than something that should be relegated to NGD. If you have some strong reason for wanting it in NGD, Jeff, please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure How does a supertough being feel pleasure' date=' much less anything? Wouldn't superhard skin negate any feeling?[/quote'] Depends. Resilience and sensitivity are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Most of the time when you feel pain in your skin from a pinch or minor burn or whatever, you are not actually sensing damage being done to your skin, but rather receiving sensory input warning you that damage may be imminent. It all has to do with whether or not thr super-tough skin can still receive tactile sensory input. Even if the input is reduced the nerves, and the input-receiving part of the brain can still expand its function to better interpret what little data it has. Normal human eyes adjust to darkness. When blinded, other senses will kick into higher gear to compensate. Of course we are talking about super-heroes which is a genre which defies all forms of logic and realism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure How does a supertough being feel pleasure' date=' much less anything? Wouldn't superhard skin negate any feeling?[/quote'] Well, my first thought is... science often doesn't make sense in super hero genres. If the rules of Physics are really just 'guidelines' in most Champions games, why would the rules of biology be so much stricter? Still, perhaps the nerve endings are altered to compensate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure In game terms, not without a Physical Limitation that says 'Reduced tactile sense'. Some supertough characters do have such Disadvantage; the Thing, I believe, has it to some degree, as does Colossus when he's armored up (again, I *think*. Could be wrong). However, bricks that don't have an obviously altered skin generally sense things as well as a normal person (folks like Power Man and Wonder Man), though I'm sure there have been exceptions in the past. In general, unless there's something specific going on with the concept, a character's superpowers are convenient. Even if you can fly at several times the speed of sound, but aren't invulnerable, the air friction isn't going to peel your flesh off (same with Speedsters). The whole square-cube law for size altering characters has to be suspended ... so don't sweat it too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knight Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure In general' date=' unless there's something specific going on with the concept, a character's superpowers are convenient. Even if you can fly at several times the speed of sound, but aren't invulnerable, the air friction isn't going to peel your flesh off (same with Speedsters). The whole square-cube law for size altering characters has to be suspended ... so don't sweat it too much. [/quote'] I whole-heartedly agree with this statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy_The_Ruthles Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure super pleasure sensors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure In game terms' date=' not without a Physical Limitation that says 'Reduced tactile sense'.[/quote'] Kazei 5 has a character like that. Excessive cyber implants have rendered her nervous system a wreck. On the plus side she is harder to STUN, on the minus side she doesn't notice injuries unless they are physically obvious, and her sex-life is pretty much pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnicau Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure If i remember correctly this issue was dealt with in Superman early post-crisis, where it was assumed he had a force field which originated deep in his body and became weaker the further out it went, so impacts would hit the field and be reduced the further in they went. this would allow him to feel and touch, but any strong blow would be felt on the surface(stun) but wouldn't penetrate deep enough to do any significant damage (body). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure There are other ways to trigger a pleaser/pain responce besides touch. A psionic could trigger eather centers of the brain for eather reponce. Trigered "pleaser", Mental Transformation which gives the victom the Psychological Limitation "Enraptered In Pleaser, Must Make EGO Roll To Act", or a similer Mind Control. The Transformation may also give the victom the power "Takes No Stun", but also gives them the Physical Limitation "Feals No Pain". I can also think of a Flash VS Touch to become (to borrow a title from a Pink Floyd song) Confroably Numb. Trigered "pain" is much easyer...a simple EGO Attack can do wonders. Also a Mind Control "Your In Extream Pain" could work. As can Transformation which gives victoms the limitation 2X STUN From All Attacks for as long as the transformation lasts. Anyone else have any ideals of Pleaser/Pain powers. (I myself have had an ideal of two villious twins, both female, one havng mental comand over other's pleaser centers, while the other has mental comand over other's pain centers. But how to do this without becoming "Porn Hero"?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBaldy Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure If you want to really know the connection between pain and pleasure, why not ask the 'authority" himself... Donatien Alphonse François de Sade (on Wikipedia), a.k.a. Marquis de Sade (on Marquis de Sade-Electronic Library) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure Anyone else have any ideals of Pleaser/Pain powers. (I myself have had an ideal of two villious twins' date=' both female, one havng mental comand over other's pleaser centers, while the other has mental comand over other's pain centers. But how to do this without becoming "Porn Hero"?)[/quote'] Special effects are what you want them to be; only game effects cost points. Basic HERO 101. So, there's no reason why your EGO attack or NND can't be an Orgasm Blast, as long as the GM allows it. You can have a Mental ENtangle defined as a Happy-Happy Joy-Joy Ray, that fills people with too much yummy joy-joy to move. Porno Hero is not a genre I've run, but it would be easy to simulate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy_The_Ruthles Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure ever seen orgasmo? might be an interesting movie to base a game around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy_The_Ruthles Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Re: Pain/Pleasure Porno Hero is not a genre I've run' date=' but it would be easy to simulate. [/quote'] Probably lots of Contortion roles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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