Mjolnir

[Starlord]

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Actually, it's *not* -- given that Thor was able to use Mjolnir to cut Juggernaut off from his power source later.

 

Where Thor erred lay in matching himself against Cytorrak's *strongest* point (resistance to physical damage), instead of matching his strength vs. Juggernaut's weakness. He's the Juggernaut, being physically invulnerable with a capital "I" is his *thing*. Thor simply found a way around that, not directly through it.

 

That's legitimate.

 

True, but the invulnerability is based off the power of the gem. It's defensive capabilities shouldn't be able to resist Mjolnir's offensive power IMO.

[Starlord]

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Remember' date=' 'Thanos' that was with Mangog, him not the real Thanos, him was a Thanosbot...[/quote']

 

Explain, please.

[Chuckg]

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INFINITY ABYSS, Thanos reveals that for a time he experimented with "My own unique blend of clone, android, and mystical doppelganger."

 

These Thanosbots, of varying power levels and specialities, were intended to run errands, as well as test opponents for him.

 

He eventually scrapped the project because he couldn't quite get the logic circuits right -- they kept going only for the direct and violent solution and skipping the subtle part entirely. This was getting them involved in lots of big smashy fights, thus entirely voiding the part where they were supposed to *save* Thanos trouble, not *cause* him trouble. So, he done scrapped 'em.

 

A few of the last ones to be scrapped causing him *LOTS AND LOTS* of trouble was the driving force behind the plot of INFINITY ABYSS. Well, that plus more weird cosmic crap, but such is usual in 'Infinity...' stories.

 

At any rate, the Thanosbots varied in power level, from 'wimpy enough to get beaten by Ka-zar' on up to 'Thanos actually called for back-up.' Although that last one was a special case.

 

Paraphrasing:

 

Thanos -- "I built it solely for the intellectual challenge of seeing if I could do it. I never actually intended to *activate* the crazy thing."

 

Gamora -- "I don't care, building *THAT* thing was the stupidest idea I've ever heard of!"

 

Thanos -- "A thought that has since occurred to me, I assure you. But I was young and foolish."

 

Confirmed Thanosbot appearances are the one vs. Ka-Zar, and (I since googled this) the one with Mangog.

[OddHat]

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Maybe Thanos has some kind of power fluxuation problem, a mid life hormonal change deal. He's embarassed about it. So, everytime some bush league punk takes him down, next time he shows up he declares "Dudes, totally wasn't me! Thanosbot!"

[Catacomb]

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Maybe Thanos has some kind of power fluxuation problem' date=' a mid life hormonal change deal. He's embarassed about it. So, everytime some bush league punk takes him down, next time he shows up he declares "Dudes, totally wasn't me! Thanosbot!"[/quote']

 

 

Aww Thanos is it that 'Thanosbot' time of the month?

[Chuckg]

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Thanos -- "Doom never got this kind of abuse!"

[Catacomb]

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Thanos -- "Doom never got this kind of abuse!"

 

 

Because Doombots are genius, Thanosbots are a copout. Call it a double standard, perhaps if Thanos' skin were not so...purple.

[FenrisUlf]

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No' date=' it was that way since daddy finally passed on and let him inherit the Odinpower, which was another arc entirely and eventually led to the stupidest ending of a THOR series ever. [/quote']

 

Was this the one where Thor became ruler of Earth? What did happen at the end, anyway?

[Starlord]

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All is true but Firelord' date=' he went down like a sack of po-ta-toes(Said in best Samwise voice.).[/quote']

 

That's right, I vaguely remember now. Firelord was brushed aside like nothing (from a Thanosbot even)...in retrospect perhaps Thor wished he'd gotten help from somebody who could've done more like...Spider-Man.

[Chuckg]

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No, no, 'Thor Rules Earth', that was just an alternate future that was prevented from being or something.

 

The series finale of the THOR monthly was... you guys honestly don't know this?

 

OK, you know my usual opinion of spoiler space, so the fact that I am providing some should warn you -- this is some truly ****ed up insano **** I am about to tell you about, so proceed at your own risk of SAN loss.

 

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"They Who Live Above In Shadow" -- you know, that mysterious bunch of dudes we only glimpsed before the once talking to Loki in X-MEN VS. ALPHA FLIGHT and haven't been part of the narrative since -- are revealed to be cosmic parasites who feed upon the life force of gods.

 

Asgard is revealed to be nothing more than their food crop. Ragnarok is something that happened over and over again, and each time, Asgard is recreated, allowed to rebuild itself, and then destroyed again as they suck up all that lovely energy. It's like the Asgardians are wheat, and Ragnarok is harvest time -- then plant the seeds, let 'em grow tall again, and harvest 'em again. Oh yeah, and like making too many Xeroxes, the quality of the copy has been degrading over time, thus resulting in their personal stories becoming cheaper and hollower with every go-around.

 

Thor realizes that his life and the life of all Asgardians is a meaningless and sick cosmic joke. He also realizes why this time around on the great wheel o' meaningless munchies, his dad Odin kicked the bucket early and left him as King of Asgard instead of just marching up for the regular Ragnarok script one more time -- to break the cycle.

 

So, Thor kicks off Ragnarok... and then deliberately betrays everyone so that Asgard *LOSES* to the giants. As They Who Live Above In Shadow are going "WTF? What's happening to the script, man? The actors are totally ad-libbing!!!" Odinpower Thor proceeds to start trying to mojo his way into their presence. Meanwhile, everybody from Balder to Sif to the Warriors Three is being killed off like mooks in a Tarantino movie, to the point where the only survivor of the entire Asgardian supporting cast is Loki, who by this point has been reduced to following Thor around, carrying his luggage and gaping helplessly a lot as his entire worldview is revealed to be a sick cosmic joke.

 

At any rate, the last act is Thor confronting They Who Live Above In Shadow, telling them that they can go suck his big Asgardian wang, he's going to starve them to death by destroying Asgard *FOREVER* this time, and never permitting it to be reborn anew!

 

Thor then smashes the loom of the Fates, obliterating Asgard entirely, and is last seen still existing for some reason (despite the rest of Asgard going poofski into not merely being destroyed, but removed from existence totally a la Omega Effect), drifting off in a giant space coffin in eternal slumber.

 

The End.

 

In case you were wondering why Thor hadn't been in Avengers comics recently.

 

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Stupid, weren't it? Of course, that was back during 'Avengers Disassembled', so who knows, maybe they've retconned it already!

 

Or not.

 

(The relevant comics were THOR vol. 2, #80-85.)

[Supreme Serpent]

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Was this the one where Thor became ruler of Earth? What did happen at the end' date=' anyway?[/quote']

 

Egad. That arc. I'm kinda curious too. I stopped trying to read it when I realized I had missed a couple of issues and the plot had not advanced at all - I hadn't realized I had missed issues until I saw the issue numbers together. Painfully drawn out. [Crotchety old man=ON] In the old days, this sort of story could have been told just as well if not better in an Annual, or in one, two issues tops of "What If" [/Crotchety old man]

[OddHat]

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What, do comic book writers just plain hate their characters these days?

 

Speaking of comic book writers who hate their characters, anyone have word on Millar's version of Thor just being a lunatic in power armor?

[austenandrews]

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OK' date=' you know my usual opinion of spoiler space, so the fact that I am providing some should warn you -- this is some truly ****ed up insano **** I am about to tell you about, so proceed at your own risk of SAN loss.[/quote']

Agh! You warned me, but I looked anyway! Somebody stop the madness!!

[Chuckg]

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Yes, it turns out that Ultimate Thor is most likely no such thing, given that Ultimate Loki has announced himself now as genuinely being an Asgardian god.

 

Ult Loki was merely making people *think* that Ult Thor was a lunatic with power gizmos... including making Thor himself believe that, for a time.

 

I find this entirely legitimate, as messing with peoples' heads and cursing Thor with delusionary states of mind is what Loki *does* for a living.

[Starlord]

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No, no, 'Thor Rules Earth', that was just an alternate future that was prevented from being or something.

 

The series finale of the THOR monthly was... you guys honestly don't know this?

 

Spoilers snipped...

 

That...is the stupidest thing in the history of stupidness. :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

[austenandrews]

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That...is the stupidest thing in the history of stupidness. :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

From the planet Stupid in the galaxy of Stupidity.

[Chuckg]

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That...is the stupidest thing in the history of stupidness. :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

 

The sad thing is, no, it really ain't. I can think of at least *FIVE* storylines from the past couple years of comics that are stupider, without even straining hard.(*)

 

... look, there is a *reason* that on the CBR.com domain, there exists a thread called "The Death Spiral of Comics", and that it's gone through over 10,000 posts total in three incarnations, and that I'm the guy who started it.

 

(add) Although it's appearing likely that the mods are soon going to kill it. :sad:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(*) "Identity Crisis", "Avengers Disassembled", "House of M", "Countdown to Infinite Crisis" (actually, this qualifies as about 4-5 separate crimes against sanity all by itself), "War Games" (Batman arc), "War Crimes" (follow-up to said arc), and "Infinite Crisis". But that's me, your mileage may vary.

 

Wait, that's *more* than five stories.

[megaplayboy]

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Yes, that whole storyline brought back my whole "Why Does Marvel Comics Hate Thor so much?" sentiments.

 

I wouldn't mind a more nuanced interpretation of immortal deity types in the MU, though. There have been some great Thor runs in the past--the original Kirby run; the Celestials run up through Thor 300; the legendary Simonson run; and the short-lived "godwheel" run(with some great art, and Thor hooking up briefly with Amora).

But the DeFalco stuff was crap, and the last couple years was pretty misdirected, imo.

 

He's one of my favorite Marvel characters. It's a shame they can't figure out where he fits in the scheme of things.

[Starlord]

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What, do comic book writers just plain hate their characters these days?

 

I'm beginning to wonder lately.

 

Am I that out of touch with my inner 15-year-old? Comics seemed to be a thousand times better 15 plus years ago. To end a run of one your universe's major characters with that nose mucus of a story?? Ugggh.

[OddHat]

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Yes, it turns out that Ultimate Thor is most likely no such thing, given that Ultimate Loki has announced himself now as genuinely being an Asgardian god.

 

Ult Loki was merely making people *think* that Ult Thor was a lunatic with power gizmos... including making Thor himself believe that, for a time.

 

I find this entirely legitimate, as messing with peoples' heads and cursing Thor with delusionary states of mind is what Loki *does* for a living.

 

Well, that's something at least. If anyone but Millar were writing the Ultimates, I might pick it up. I've read good reviews. OTOH, Millar seems to have a deep hate on for the genre, which makes his career choice more than odd.

[Chuckg]

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To end a run of one your universe's major characters with that nose mucus of a story?? Ugggh.

 

... you could say the exact same thing about Ralph and Sue Dibney, the Blue Beetle, Stephanie "Robin IV" (but only briefly!) Brown, Wonder Woman, Superman, Hawkeye, the Scarlet Witch, the...

 

... but I already listed all those storylines.

[Starlord]

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Yes, it turns out that Ultimate Thor is most likely no such thing, given that Ultimate Loki has announced himself now as genuinely being an Asgardian god.

 

Ult Loki was merely making people *think* that Ult Thor was a lunatic with power gizmos... including making Thor himself believe that, for a time.

 

I find this entirely legitimate, as messing with peoples' heads and cursing Thor with delusionary states of mind is what Loki *does* for a living.

 

Yes, that sounds exactly like something the Loki character should be doing. Loki should never confront physically, he should harass and harass and harass until his enemy wants to shoot himself in the head.

[Chuckg]

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Well' date=' that's something at least. If anyone but Millar were writing the Ultimates, I might pick it up. I've read good reviews. OTOH, Millar seems to have a deep hate on for the genre, which makes his career choice more than odd.[/quote']

 

Oh, I agree. What I just listed is about the only thing that ULTIMATES has done /right/ in the past few issues. God knows that everything else is going to crap in a handbasket.

 

*Especially* Ult Black Widow (traitor and murderer), Ult Wasp (nutcase who dumped Steve freaking Rogers to go back to her abusive ex-husband), Ultimate Iron Man (nice guy, but drunken wuss, and just got totally screwed over by Ult Black Widow, who he was going to marry), Ultimate Nick Fury (went from being cool hardass spy guy into being Henry Bendix Lite, *and* stupid enough to totally peg the wrong guy on his team as the traitor and murderer -- assuming he wasn't in on it himself, a point still in doubt), and Ultimate Captain America (the only decent guy left who also got to keep his testicles, at present framed for murder, in jail, hated by everybody, dumped by the woman he loves in favor of the abusive jerk she originally came to him to get away from, /and/ getting to watch the Statue of Liberty torn down and Washington DC put to the sack by foreign invaders from his prison cell)...

 

... I really need to stop ranting now.

 

Edit -- damn, I forgot Ult Hawkeye (got to watch his wife and little girl all shot dead at the breakfast table right in front of his eyes, then taken away by the bad guys for torture and interrogation, meanwhile his death faked, and Ult Captain America being framed for doing all of it.)

[austenandrews]

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Yes, it turns out that Ultimate Thor is most likely no such thing, given that Ultimate Loki has announced himself now as genuinely being an Asgardian god.

 

Ult Loki was merely making people *think* that Ult Thor was a lunatic with power gizmos... including making Thor himself believe that, for a time.

 

I find this entirely legitimate, as messing with peoples' heads and cursing Thor with delusionary states of mind is what Loki *does* for a living.

That's a pretty amusing spin on Thor's actual "Don Blake" origin story.

[Starlord]

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Well' date=' that's something at least. If anyone but Millar were writing the Ultimates, I might pick it up. I've read good reviews. OTOH, Millar seems to have a deep hate on for the genre, which makes his career choice more than odd.[/quote']

 

A form of therapy, perhaps?

 

You loathe heights so you go and do a 'Ferris Bueller' at the top of the Sears tower or some other tall building. *Shrugs*