Colossus Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 A character creation question. If someone is trying to translate DC or Marvel Characters nearly directly the cost for certain characters is extreme visa via effectiveness. An example. Batman would cost more points then Super-Man in most creations if you included his base(s), followers, and devices. I am thinking of characters like Shadowcat. You could create Shadowcat as potrayed in the comics, but it would be very expensive. Significantly more expensive than the rest of the X-Men. One could easily create Cyclops, Wolverine, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Storm, Colossus, or Iceman for 350 points (or at least playable versions of them), Shadowcat. She has been seen phasing up to 8 people, which would cost 80 points before the END was reduced to manageable and whose effect on Electronics would need to be purchased with the + 2 advanatage (effect real world). Now this is fair, but it means that a playable trainslation of Kitty would more likely focus on Martial Arts and simply Phasing (not mass phasing). Does anyone other characters that translation into Hero is either very, very expensive or not doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation You could create Shadowcat as potrayed in the comics' date=' but it would be very expensive. Significantly more expensive than the rest of the X-Men. One could easily create Cyclops, Wolverine, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Storm, Colossus, or Iceman for 350 points (or at least playable versions of them),[/quote'] This is the Mary Sue version of Shadowcat. When she began, she was a kid who could walk through walls, and may have demonstrated an interesting side-effect on electronic stuff. At some point, there would have been a version of her that was about the same power level as the others you listed. Of course, the original X-Men started off at a much lower power level too. It really depends on which versions of the characters you want to build. Almost all characters were simpler and less powerful when they first appeared than the way they were decades later. Does anyone other characters that translation into Hero is either very, very expensive or not doable. Rogue. Unless she is an NPC, and the GM is able to cheat in her favour, it isn't possible to build a version of her that isn't built on far more points than the characters around her. (An NPC version can take advantage of the fact that the GM knows what kind of characters she is likely to be mimicking). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation This is the Mary Sue version of Shadowcat. When she began, she was a kid who could walk through walls, and may have demonstrated an interesting side-effect on electronic stuff. At some point, there would have been a version of her that was about the same power level as the others you listed. Of course, the original X-Men started off at a much lower power level too. It really depends on which versions of the characters you want to build. Almost all characters were simpler and less powerful when they first appeared than the way they were decades later. Rogue. Unless she is an NPC, and the GM is able to cheat in her favour, it isn't possible to build a version of her that isn't built on far more points than the characters around her. (An NPC version can take advantage of the fact that the GM knows what kind of characters she is likely to be mimicking). Yeah, and Absorbing man...just does not fit well...Even Taskmaster is a pain with out some work arounds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation Rogue is the worst of the bunch but Shadowcat is right up there behind her in point suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation Iron Man. SHIELD is a very expensive perk when you buy it as a follower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narratio Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation The Spectre. His original 40's stuff is realatively easy to do but a version that could match the various "Crisis" abilities? UGH... Or how about Super-Skrull. Combing all the abilities of the FF? A total points monster. pinecone has a point about Absorbing man. Any of the power mimicslike Mimic, Super Adaptoid etc., as depicted in 90's or '00 comics are painful. really need to be GM run beasties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptoid Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation to me the goal is to build an homage. "Your character works basically just like Rogue" or Silver Surfer, or whoever... if you pick out these "tall orders" as player characters, like Super-Skrull, High Evolutionary, Doc Strange, Martian Manhunter, etc: then they set the point limits for the PCs, maybe for the whole campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation The Spectre. His original 40's stuff is realatively easy to do but a version that could match the various "Crisis" abilities? UGH... The Spectre was always a monster. You could produce a decent enough homage on similar points to the rest of the JSA heavy hitters, but it would be a cut down version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation if you pick out these "tall orders" as player characters, like Super-Skrull, High Evolutionary, Doc Strange, Martian Manhunter, etc: then they set the point limits for the PCs, maybe for the whole campaign. I would separate out the "PCs" from the "NPCs" here. That is, Doc Strange and the Martian Manhunter, as heroes and title characters, exhibited the patterns of power escalation typical of such characters. If you build them as they first appeared, you can (more or less) build them on point totals similar to those used by most Champions campaigns. This is especially true of the Martian Manhunter, whose power set changed over time. He wasn't always Superman+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation I just keep throwing points on until I'm happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation I just keep throwing pants on until I'm happy. How many pants does it normally take you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation How many pants does it normally take you? Stop it. I thought for a moment I'd actually typed pants! Bad man! and the answer is of course, 42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oruncrest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation I would separate out the "PCs" from the "NPCs" here. That is, Doc Strange and the Martian Manhunter, as heroes and title characters, exhibited the patterns of power escalation typical of such characters. If you build them as they first appeared, you can (more or less) build them on point totals similar to those used by most Champions campaigns. This is especially true of the Martian Manhunter, whose power set changed over time. He wasn't always Superman+. No, he used to be the scientific Spectre: Invisibility, Desolidification, Telepathy, Shapeshilfting (growth included), Matter Manipulation (he summoned gold from seawater in his origin story and in a later story made ice cream with his mind), Telekinesis, Martian Breath, Twirling... the list goes on and on. And these are from his earliest stories. Any power the story needed, he'd have. If anything, J'Onn was depowered when he became Superman+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steamteck Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Re: Lost in Translation Well, The Tas Justice League, JLU one is probably doable. My favorite version anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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