danbuter1 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I noticed that cat men and lizard men have to pay points for their tails. Unless I'm missing something, their tails don't do anything. Why pay points for something that is cosmetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Looking at both descriptions, the tails could be used for attacks, but not for picking up objects. So, a lizard man might be able to tail-slap an opponent at the same time that he tries to bite (or claw). A cat person might be able to use the tail in a similar way to trip up an opponent. Of course, if you don't see this as something that you'd like in your game, just edit the template to remove the charge. JoeG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? if the tail is completely decorative and has no abilities then it's 0 points. In those builds, as Ternaugh pointed out, they are a limb that can use the character's Strength. If they have Limited Manipulation they can be used to pick up objects - though probably not delicate or small objects, can be used to make attacks, grab things (like wrapping around a tree limb), or other such non-delicate manipulations. This comes into play as a Limb when attempting to Grab or limit a targets movement - if you Grab Two Limbs with a normal Grab maneuver on a person it's typically their arms, but can also be their legs. With a person who has a Tail (Extra Limb) they can bring that limb into play during combat even if they can't use their arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? A tail only costs points if it gives utility past the base four-limbed template. Otherwise - its free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuter1 Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Thanks. I saw the limited use and thought it meant the tails were not available for attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folded Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? In real life, tails have significant impacts on the balance of the owner (none of this answers your question, but tails can be far more interesting than just an extra limb). I'd say a felinoid would get Skill Levels with Acrobatics, Breakfall, and the like from their tail. Some animals walk differently because of their tails, which move their center of gravity back towards a center that allows for better surefootedness. It might be worth adding this kind of thing to the character description to compensate for the fact that the tail costs points (or it could just add reasonable points, justifying having a tail in the first place). You could also throw in a Disadvantage for creatures whose tails tend to give away emotional signals by their position and how they move, even make it a feature of some anthropoid societies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Looking at both descriptions, the tails could be used for attacks, but not for picking up objects. So, a lizard man might be able to tail-slap an opponent at the same time that he tries to bite (or claw). A cat person might be able to use the tail in a similar way to trip up an opponent. Of course, if you don't see this as something that you'd like in your game, just edit the template to remove the charge. JoeG MY last cat surely tried to use his tail to trip my mother up many a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Personally I've never seen a cat use a tail for a weapon. Lucius Alexander A palindromedary pays to have no tail (Defense Manuever - you can't get behind a palindromedary, it has no behind to get.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Personally I've never seen a cat use a tail for a weapon. Actual cats?Yeah, not really. But you will note that they do not pay for an extra limb in their writups in the Bestiary. Cat-men and cat-girls? I see this sort of thing depicted all the time in fiction/anime/video games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Personally I've never seen a cat use a tail for a weapon. I have, for a no-range Flash attack. Our youngest cat (whom I refer to as "Fluff Butt") puts his tail in my face more or less at every opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Actual cats?Yeah, not really. But you will note that they do not pay for an extra limb in their writups in the Bestiary. Cat-men and cat-girls? I see this sort of thing depicted all the time in fiction/anime/video games... [enter lewd remark about Cat-Girl's and their tail usage] La Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? [enter lewd remark about Cat-Girl's and their tale usage] La Rose. Scheherazade was a cat girl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Scheherazade was a cat girl? Noted and corrected. ^^ La Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folded Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Re: Why do tails cost points? Scheherazade was a cat girl? I think you just triggered an anime, somewhere in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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