Cassandra's Corner

[Trebuchet]

Right. Or we could do Banner when he was the Hulk and couldn't change at all and had Banner's brain and most of the Hulk's strength.

 

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that's not the version of the Hulk Cassandra is building, so why go off on that tangent?

[Cassandra]

Aurora is 5'11", 145 lbs, with Green Eyes and Black Hair.

 

She can open hyperspace windows in space allowing her FTL Travel, and has learned to do so in an atmosphere allowing her to teleport up to 1km.

[Ranxerox]

Aurora

 

Val Char Cost

50 STR 40

18 DEX 24

25 CON 30

10 BODY 0

18 INT 8

11 EGO 2

15 PRE 5

18 COM 4

20 PD 10

15 ED 10

4 SPD 12

15 REC 0

50 END 0

48 STUN 0

Total Characteristics Cost: 145 Points

 

Cost Skills

2 Bump of Direction, IAF: Mobile Astronomical System Computer [MASC] (-1/2)

3 Computer Programming 13-

1 Navigation [Air] 8-

1 Navigation [space] 8-

3 SS[iNT]: Astronomy 13-

Total Skills Cost: 10 Points

 

Cost Powers

15 Damage Resistance 20 rPD 10 rED

8 ES: HRRP, IAF: Mobile Astronomical System Computer [MASC] (-1/2)

13 ES: N-Ray Sight [Magic]

30 Multipower (30 Points)

3 u) FTL Travel 1000 LY/Year

2 u) Flight 10", Variable Advantages (+1/2), [Megascale 1km, 1/2 END, or Use Underwater Only (-1/4)

3 u) Teleport 10", 4x NCM

3 u) Teleport 1", Megascale 10km (+1/4), 2x Mass, Safe Blind Teleport (+1/4), No Relative Velocity

21 LS: Eat/Week, High Pressure, High Radiation, Intense Cold, Intense Heat, Low Pressure/Vacuum, Self Contained, Sleep/Week

Total Powers Cost: 195 Points

 

Total Cost: 250 Points

 

150+ Disadvantages

15 Hunted: Maximus and Brutus (More Powerful) 8-

5 Hunted: NASA (As Powerful/NCI/Watch) 8-

10 Hunted: USAF (More Powerful/NCI/Watch) 8-

20 PsyL: Code Of The Hero (Very Common/Strong)

20 PsyL: Code Versus Killing (Common/Total)

5 PsyL: Curious About Her True Origin (Uncommon/Moderate)

10 PsyL: Fear Of Spiders (Uncommon/Moderate)

10 SocL: Secret Identity [brit Tory] (Occasionally/Major]

10 Vuln: Magic, 1 1/2x STUN (Common)

Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points

Nice.

 

Are we going to get to see Liberty too?

[Greywind]

Right. Or we could do Banner when he was the Hulk and couldn't change at all and had Banner's brain and most of the Hulk's strength.

 

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that's not the version of the Hulk Cassandra is building, so why go off on that tangent?

Why go off on any tangent? It's Cassandra's thread. It's how SHE chose to build Banner.

[bigbywolfe]

Right. Or we could do Banner when he was the Hulk and couldn't change at all and had Banner's brain and most of the Hulk's strength.

 

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that's not the version of the Hulk Cassandra is building, so why go off on that tangent?

No it's not. She did not build the Banner in Hulk's body which is what you suggested and what Trebuchet was referring to as a tangent.

[Cassandra]

Aurora

[Greywind]

Right. Or we could do Banner when he was the Hulk and couldn't change at all and had Banner's brain and most of the Hulk's strength.

 

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that's not the version of the Hulk Cassandra is building, so why go off on that tangent?

I'm saying that any post that goes "you should have done this" or "why this way" is automatically off on a tangent, because, quite simply, she chose not to do so.

[Trebuchet]

I'm saying that any post that goes "you should have done this" or "why this way" is automatically off on a tangent' date=' because, quite simply, she chose not to do so.[/quote']

 

I disagree. This isn't a warehouse for Cassandra's builds, it's a showcase. I generally presume, unless specifically stated otherwise, that any character posted here on the boards is intended for commentary and/or suggestions. Certainly my own few builds posted here over the years have received similar commentary. True, some of the comments are less than helpful or snarky, but others have given me good ideas or made me question my own design decisions. A second opinion is almost always useful. Character design is an art, not a science.

[bigbywolfe]

I'm saying that any post that goes "you should have done this" or "why this way" is automatically off on a tangent' date=' because, quite simply, she chose not to do so.[/quote']

 

I disagree. This isn't a warehouse for Cassandra's builds, it's a showcase. I generally presume, unless specifically stated otherwise, that any character posted here on the boards is intended for commentary and/or suggestions. Certainly my own few builds posted here over the years have received similar commentary. True, some of the comments are less than helpful or snarky, but others have given me good ideas or made me question my own design decisions. A second opinion is almost always useful. Character design is an art, not a science.

Agreed. Disagreeing with how to build something is not the same as saying you should build something else entirely different and that is the difference between the suggestions.

[Greywind]

I'm saying that any post that goes "you should have done this" or "why this way" is automatically off on a tangent' date=' because, quite simply, she chose not to do so.[/quote']

 

I disagree. This isn't a warehouse for Cassandra's builds, it's a showcase. I generally presume, unless specifically stated otherwise, that any character posted here on the boards is intended for commentary and/or suggestions. Certainly my own few builds posted here over the years have received similar commentary. True, some of the comments are less than helpful or snarky, but others have given me good ideas or made me question my own design decisions. A second opinion is almost always useful. Character design is an art, not a science.

And all I did was point out, from source, an instance that can justify Banner having a high, within human range, STR score. Silly me...

[Cassandra]

I don't mind comments, but I exercise the right to ignore them.

[Trebuchet]

I don't mind comments' date=' but I exercise the right to ignore them.[/quote']

 

As is your absolute right.

[Tasha]

Bruce Banner

 

Val Char Cost

20 STR 10

18 DEX 24

20 CON 20

12 BODY 4

18 INT 8

11 EGO 2

15 PRE 5

18 COM 4

6 PD 2

4 ED 0

4 SPD 12

10 REC 4

50 END 5

32 STUN 0

Total Characteristics Cost: 100 Points

 

Cost Skills

3 Breakfall 13-

12 Combat Luck +6 rPD +6 rED

3 Computer Programming 13-

4 Martial Block

4 Martial Dodge

4 Martial Strike

3 Martial Throw

1 Navigation [Air] 8-

5 Offensive Strike

3 Paramedic 13-

3 Power [iNT] 13-

2 SS: Medicine 11-

3 SS[iNT]: Nuclear Physics 13-

Total Skills Cost: 50 Points

 

Cost Powers

5 ES: RPT, OAF: Avengers ID Card (-1)

5 Flight 2", Megascale 1km (+1/4), No END (+1/2), Use Simultaneously 4x Mass (+1), OIF[bulky]: Avengers Quinjet

50 Multiform: 250 Points [Hulk]

40 VPP 30 Points, OIF (-1/2)

Total Powers Cost: 100 Points

 

Total Cost: 250 Points

 

150+ Disadvantages

5 Accidental Change: When Attacked (Uncommon) 8-

5 DNPC: Betty Ross [Red She Hulk] (Slightly Less Powerful) 8-

10 Hunted: SHIELD (More Powerful/NCI/Watch) 8-

10 Hunted: Thunderbolt Ross [Red Hulk] (As Powerful) 8-

20 Normal Characteristics Maxima

10 PsyL: Loves Betty Ross (Uncommon/Strong)

20 PsyL: Protective Of Innocents (Very Common/Strong)

10 PsyL: Scientific Curiosity (Uncommon/Strong)

10 SocL: Secret Identity [bruce Banner] (Occasionally/Major)

Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points

 

 

The Incredible Hulk

 

Val Char Cost

60* STR 40

15 DEX 15

25 CON 30

14 BODY 8

13 INT 3

10 EGO 0

20 PRE 10

18 COM 4

27* PD 15

17* ED 10

4 SPD 15

15 REC 0

50 END 0

52 STUN 0

Total Characteristics Cost: 150 Points

 

*Characteristics From Density Increase Added In

 

Cost Skills

3 Breakfall 13-

6 Combat Luck +3 rPD +3 rED

3 FB: Federal Police Powers

1 Navigation [Air] 8-

1 Navigation [Ground] 8-

1 Rep: The Incredible Hulk 8-

Total Skills Cost: 15 Points

 

Cost Powers

19 Damage Resistance 20 rPD 10 rED, Hardened (+1/4)

13 Density Increase Mass 400kg KNB -2", No END Persistent (+1), Always On (-1/2)

5 ES: RPT, OAF: Avengers ID (-1)

5 Flight 2", Megascale 1km (+1/4), No END (+1/2), Use Simultaneously 4x Mass (+1), OIF[bulky]: Avengers Quinjet (-1)

8 Healing: Regeneration 1 BODY/Turn

10 Multipower (10 Points)

1 u) Leaping +10"

1 u) Leaping 3", Megascale 1km (+1/4), Accurate

20 LS: Extended Breathing [1 END/Turn], High Pressure, High Radiation, Immunity [Disease], Intense Cold, Intense Heat,

Low Pressure/Vacuum

3 Stretching 1", Always Direct (-1/4), No Noncombat (-1/4)

Total Powers Cost: 85

 

Total Powers Cost: 250 Points

 

150+ Disadvantages

10 Enraged: When Attacked (Common) 8-, Recover 14-

5 DNPC: Betty Ross [Red She Hulk] (Slightly Less Powerful) 8-

5 DF: Large Green Hulk (Concealable/Noticed)

10 Hunted: Abomination (As Powerful) 8-

10 Hunted: Avengers Enemies (As Powerful) 8-

10 Hunted: Leader (As Powerful) 8-

10 Hunted: SHIELD (More Powerful/NCI/Watch) 8-

10 Hunted: Thunderbolt Ross [Red Hulk] (As Powerful) 8-

5 PhyL: Large and Heavy (Infrequently/Slightly)

20 PsyL: Protective Of Innocents (Very Common/Strong)

5 Rep: Rampaging Hulk 8-

Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points

I see that this is the Cartoon "Earth's Mightest Heroes" version of the Hulk.

 

The one quibble that I would have is that most versions of the Hulk have him increasing strength as he gets madder. I would expect to see some form of "Extra Push" for Str and or Density Increase. +10 Strength x5 end (Extra push) or something similar.

[Cassandra]

Hey, Tre, would you have had a problem if I said I was creating the DC Animated Universe's Superman on 250 Points?

[Trebuchet]

Hey' date=' Tre, would you have had a problem if I said I was creating the DC Animated Universe's Superman on 250 Points?[/quote']

 

As long as it doesn't involve Multiform, have at it.

 

It'll still be a neat trick, but I think it can be done reasonably.

[bigbywolfe]

Hey, Tre, would you have had a problem if I said I was creating the DC Animated Universe's Superman on 250 Points?

I think the beginning of Superman the Animated Series when it takes him a lot of effort to lift a jumbo jet and he still uses breathing equipment underwater is totally doable on 250 points. By the end of the series when he fights Darkseid single handed and survives a kryptonite powered nuke will be pushing it a bit.

[Cassandra]

Flash

 

Val Char Cost

20 STR 10

23 DEX 39

20 CON 20

12 BODY 4

13 INT 3

11 EGO 2

15 PRE 5

18 COM 4

6 PD 2

4 ED 0

6 SPD 27

10 REC 4

50 END 5

32 STUN 0

Total Characteristics Cost: 100 Points

 

Cost Skills

2 AK: Central City 11-

6 Combat Luck +3 rPD +3 rED

2 FB: Local Police Powers

1 Navigation [Ground] 8-

2 PS: Crime Scene Investigator 11-

2 Rep: Superhero 11-

Total Skills Cost: 15

 

Cost Powers

50 Multipower (50 Points)

5 u) Desolid [Vibrations], 1/2 END (+1/4)

5 u) EB 10d6 [Vibrations]

3 u) HA +8d6, HTH Attack (-1/2), 1/2 END (+1/4)

1 u) Transform: Instant Change [One Set of Clothes], IIF: Ring (+1/4)

6 ES: RPT, Gestures (-1/4), IAF: Justice League Communicator (-1/2)

15 EC [superspeed]-15 Points

10 1) Flight 10", Variable Advantages (+1/2), [Megascale 1km, or 1/2 END Only (-1/4)], Only In Contact With A Surface (-1/4)

15 2) Force Field +12 rPD +12 rED, 1/2 END (+1/4)

Total Powers Cost: 110 Points

 

Total Cost: 250 Points

 

150+ Disadvantages

5 DNPC: Kid Flash [Wally West] (Slightly Less Powerful) 8-

5 DNPC: Iris West Allen (Useful Normal) 8-

10 Hunted: Professor Zoom (As Powerful) 8-

20 PsyL: Code Of The Hero (Very Common/Strong)

20 PsyL: Code Versus Killing (Common/Total)

10 PsyL: Sworn To Uphold The Law (Uncommon/Strong)

10 SocL: Secret Identity [barry Allen] (Occasionally/Major)

10 SocL: Subject To Orders [Central City Police Department] (Occasionally/Major)

10 Vuln: Unexpected Collisions, 1 1/2x STUN (Common)

Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points

[Cassandra]

Supergirl

 

Val Char Cost

50 STR 40

18 DEX 24

25 CON 30

10 BODY 0

13 INT 3

11 EGO 2

20 PRE 10

18 COM 4

20 PD 10

20 ED 15

4 SPD 12

15 REC 0

50 END 0

48 STUN 0

Total Characteristics Cost: 150 Points

 

Cost Skills

2 AK: Smallville 11-

1 AK: Metropolis 8-

4 Lang: Native English [Kryptonian Native]

1 Navigation [Air] 8-

2 Rep: Superhero 11-

Total Skills Cost: 10 Points

 

Cost Powers

12 Damage Resistance 20 rPD 10 rED, Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

12 EC [Yellow Sun Energy]-15 Points, Does Not Work During Res Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

20 1) EB 8d6, Variable Special Effects [Heat/Cold] (+1/4), 2x END (-1/2)

10 2) Flight 10", Variable Advantages (+1/2), [Megascale 1km, 1/2 END, or Use Underwater Only (-1/4)]

10 ES: N-Ray Sight [Not Through Lead], PER +1, Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

6 ES: RPT, Gestures (-1/4), IAF: Justice League Communicator (-1/2)

6 Healing: Regeneration 1 BODY/Turn, Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

8 LS: Extended Breathing [1 END/Turn], High Pressure, High Radiation, Intense Cold, Intense Heat, Low Pressure/Vacuum,

Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

6 STR +10, No Figured Characteristics (-1/2), Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

Total Powers Cost: 90 Points

 

Total Cost: 250 Points

 

150+ Disadvantages

10 DNPC: Lena Thorful (Unaware Slightly Less Powerful) 8-

10 Hunted: Brainiac (As Powerful) 8-

5 PhyL: Undergoes Random Mental Or Physical Change Lasting 24 Hours After Exposure To Red Kryptonite (Infrequently/Slightly)

20 PsyL: Code Of The Hero (Very Common/Strong)

10 PsyL: Must Live Up To Family Reputation For Achievement (Uncommon/Strong)

20 PsyL: Code Versus Killing (Common/Total)

10 SocL: Secret Identity [Kara Zor-El/Kara Kent] (Occasionally/Major)

5 Suscept: Green Kryptonite Radiation, 1d6 STUN/Minute (Uncommon)

10 Vuln: Magic, 1 1/2x STUN (Common)

Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points

 

[death tribble]

Aurora

Dame Diana Rigg as Mrs Peel. Definitely a good idea.

[Trebuchet]

Supergirl

 

Val Char Cost

50 STR 40

18 DEX 24

25 CON 30

10 BODY 0

13 INT 3

11 EGO 2

20 PRE 10

18 COM 4

20 PD 10

20 ED 15

4 SPD 12

15 REC 0

50 END 0

48 STUN 0

Total Characteristics Cost: 150 Points

 

Cost Skills

2 AK: Smallville 11-

1 AK: Metropolis 8-

4 Lang: Native English [Kryptonian Native]

1 Navigation [Air] 8-

2 Rep: Superhero 11-

Total Skills Cost: 10 Points

 

Cost Powers

12 Damage Resistance 20 rPD 10 rED, Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

12 EC [Yellow Sun Energy]-15 Points, Does Not Work During Res Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

20 1) EB 8d6, Variable Special Effects [Heat/Cold] (+1/4), 2x END (-1/2)

10 2) Flight 10", Variable Advantages (+1/2), [Megascale 1km, 1/2 END, or Use Underwater Only (-1/4)]

10 ES: N-Ray Sight [Not Through Lead], PER +1, Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

6 ES: RPT, Gestures (-1/4), IAF: Justice League Communicator (-1/2)

6 Healing: Regeneration 1 BODY/Turn, Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

8 LS: Extended Breathing [1 END/Turn], High Pressure, High Radiation, Intense Cold, Intense Heat, Low Pressure/Vacuum,

Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

6 STR +10, No Figured Characteristics (-1/2), Does Not Work During Red Solar Radiation Exposure (-1/4)

Total Powers Cost: 90 Points

 

Total Cost: 250 Points

 

150+ Disadvantages

10 DNPC: Lena Thorful (Unaware Slightly Less Powerful) 8-

10 Hunted: Brainiac (As Powerful) 8-

5 PhyL: Undergoes Random Mental Or Physical Change Lasting 24 Hours After Exposure To Red Kryptonite (Infrequently/Slightly)

20 PsyL: Code Of The Hero (Very Common/Strong)

10 PsyL: Must Live Up To Family Reputation For Achievement (Uncommon/Strong)

20 PsyL: Code Versus Killing (Common/Total)

10 SocL: Secret Identity [Kara Zor-El/Kara Kent] (Occasionally/Major)

5 Suscept: Green Kryptonite Radiation, 1d6 STUN/Minute (Uncommon)

10 Vuln: Magic, 1 1/2x STUN (Common)

Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points

Ummm... Your Flash has higher defenses and BODY than your Supergirl?

[Hyper-Man]

I only see a higher Body for Flash?!

[Hyper-Man]

The bigger issue I see with Flash is no option for a multiple move/grab by as built.

[Trebuchet]

I only see a higher Body for Flash?!

 

Flash has PD 6, 3 points of Combat Luck, and a 12 PD Force Field for 21 PD total. Supergirl has 20 PD.

[Cassandra]

Supergirl's 20 PD is always on, even when she's exposed to Red Solar Radiation. All she loses then is her Resistant Defense, which is why she has Regeneration (which also is handy to repair damage from Kryptonite. My premise for her retaining her characteristics is that they are based on Earth having lower gravity then Krypton, giving her great strength and physical toughness. During Red Solar Radiation exposure her STR goes from 60 to 50, resulting in a 75% loss in lifting power.

 

The Flash has a basic PD of 6. His FF and Combat Luck are only effective when he is conscious. He would lose both when stunned, and the latter when surprised.

 

Any move-throughs or move-bys can still be accomplished using his SPD 6 and Surface Contact Flight. He's still faster then most characters including Supergirl.

 

[Cassandra]

Supergirl can pick up a large object and use it as an ad hoc Area Affect attack against Flash just in case.