Shrinking Usable as an Attack

[The Hawk God]

So if I have shrinking usable as an attack, what would the in game benefits be?  Would the character shrunk have mobility problems or STR problems.  Or do I need to buy DRAINS vs.  Mobility powers and STR to model this?

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

Hawk

[bigbywolfe]

It has the exact same effects it has when used on yourself.  I won't list them as I would basically be repeating what the book says the Shrinking Power does.  Shrinking does not (as far as I remember) affect your STR or Movement.

[Ninja-Bear]

Hawk yoy are right. If you want the shrunk character to haveless STR and RUN then you need to buy drain.I think though instead of drain I would buy suppress linked to shrinking and use standard effect. P.s. pre-4th shrunk characters did lose running automatically when shrunk.

[Lucius]

Buy a Drain or Suppress, and the fact the victim gains the benefits of Shrinking is a Side Effect

 

Lucius Alexander

 

Incredible Shrinking Palindromedary

[The Hawk God]

Buy a Drain or Suppress, and the fact the victim gains the benefits of Shrinking is a Side Effect

 

Lucius Alexander

 

Incredible Shrinking Palindromedary

 

Hmmm...I wonder if he would go for that.

 

Thanks Lucius

 

Hawk

[Ninja-Bear]

Lucis arent side effects supposed to negative to the character?

[Greywind]

You don't think having your target suddenly being 6 inches tall and able to hide easier isn't a negative feature to the character with the shrinking attack?

[Tasha]

Lucis arent side effects supposed to negative to the character?

you don't think that giving an opponent lots of extra DCV isn't a negative effect to the attacker?

[Ninja-Bear]

In retrospect I see that side effect is the same as UOO mechanically. However I have a naging suspicion that shrinking UOO is the "proper" way to do it.

[Soleil Noir]

If you want your "Shrink Ray" to have additional effects, like reducing the target's movement speed, the power of their attacks, etc., it would probably be cleaner to build the power as a Transform and draft up some general guidelines as to how being miniaturized affects the target (e.g.; subtract 20 Active Points from STR and attack Powers, divide all Movement Powers to 1/10th normal, etc.)

[Steve]

You could use the various Size templates to determine general abilities with the Transform setup, which would probably be cleaner than fudging with various Drains and such.

[Christopher]

So if I have shrinking usable as an attack, what would the in game benefits be?  Would the character shrunk have mobility problems or STR problems.  Or do I need to buy DRAINS vs.  Mobility powers and STR to model this?

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

Hawk

Shrinking has only two negative effects - increased Knockback range and reduced natural reach. And there are better ways to do that then Shrinking UAA - Transform in particular.

There is explicit mention that Body Affecting Powers, UAA cannot be used to lower a value (Density Incrase notes that under "No Str Bonus"). If you want to lower a Characteristic or Movement Power then Drain/Supress/Transform are the ways to go. If it affects everyone in a area, look at Change Environment.

 

Lucius does have a good point:

Drain Movement, KB Resistance, UAA, Side Effect (Target gains benefits of Shrinking) does sound like a good idea.

 

Note that UAA is there if you want to force a effect on a (enemy) Character.

If the recipient is willing, UOO or Aid are the clean ways to do it.

[JmOz]

I would do it as a drain with a side effect, that the character looses height but gains DCV etc...

[bigbywolfe]

I suppose it could also be done as a Transform that applies the appropriate template from the Size Chart to the character.