The Incredibles 2

[RDU Neil]

6 hours ago, Pariah said:

The Incredibles is my favorite superhero movie and my favourite animated movie, bar none.

 

Having said that, The Incredibles 2 is a worthy successor.

 

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I agree on the second part, and would have agreed on the first part, but Winter Soldier came out since then, so...

[Michael Hopcroft]

One of the concerns critics had (other than the New Yorker article I read, which described it as "terrifying" propaganda) is that there have been so many superhero movies in the fourteen years since the first film that the concept had lost its edge. Turned out not to be the case to most critics (who generally loved it), or a problem for audiences.

 

And there are a lot of great technical scenes. The strobe sequences are suitably disorienting (though I can see why they trigger seizures, so most epilepsy patients will have to wait for home video), Elastigirl's effects scenes are eye-popping, and Jack-Jack's powers are presented very well.

 

Back to those strobes: I'd like opinions on whether there could have been another way to portray the disorienting effect of what the Screenslaver can do. There has been some criticism of Bird for including them, reminiscent of the hysteria 20+ years ago when a post-season Pokemon episode was banned in Japan and never aired at all in the West over reports that a particular Pokemon's effects were causing seizures (a controversy reflected in the title of the classic BESM book Cute and Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters). Did brad Bird understand the effect the scene would have on people prone to seizures? Was there some other way? 

[Starlord]

My wife turned away because she is subject to migraines and has trouble with sharp light/dark contrasts (like a bright white screen in the dark), but she didn't feel it ruined the movie.  Perhaps he could've done the scene with some softer hues.

[Pariah]

Stylistically, I think the strobe scene was pretty much the perfect way to represent what Screenslaver could do. I can certainly understand why people would be concerned about it, though. Lady P covered our faughter's eyes intermittently during that scene, even though she hasn't had a seizure since she was 4 months old. It was still a little concerning.

[Pariah]

Having had a few hours to reflect on it, I remember the central point of Brad Bird's previous movie, Tomorrowland.  It was based on the idea that people will always look for the easy way out, the solution that requires nothing of them--even if it results in their own destruction. 

 

It seems like Screenslaver has pretty much the same gripe, about both technology and supers. She seems to feel like people in her world have come to rely on their gadgets and their heroes to save them, without taking any notice of the idea that they might reasonably have to put in the work to try to save themselves.

 

In that respect, I'm afraid she probably has a point.

[Michael Hopcroft]

6 hours ago, Pariah said:

Having had a few hours to reflect on it, I remember the central point of Brad Bird's previous movie, Tomorrowland.  It was based on the idea that people will always look for the easy way out, the solution that requires nothing of them--even if it results in their own destruction. 

 

It seems like Screenslaver has pretty much the same gripe, about both technology and supers. She seems to feel like people in her world have come to rely on their gadgets and their heroes to save them, without taking any notice of the idea that they might reasonably have to put in the work to try to save themselves.

 

In that respect, I'm afraid she probably has a point.

Would she find immoral to accept salvation from anything outside yourself? Because that pushes religion, and most laws, completely out of the picture.

[Matt the Bruins]

On 7/5/2018 at 2:24 PM, Old Man said:

 

Note that over the course of the film Elastigirl commits reckless endangerment, trespassing, breaking and entering, and assault, just off the top of my head.  And recorded all of it.  And this time she's not a cop, she's not a government agent, and she's not on a foreign desert island.

However, the film and Elastigirl are both aware of this, as her attempting t explain to her kids demonstrates. It's a deliberate choice to break the law while fighting crime in the hope that it will generate a groundswell of public support to get the law changed.

 

On 7/12/2018 at 11:01 AM, Michael Hopcroft said:

Back to those strobes: I'd like opinions on whether there could have been another way to portray the disorienting effect of what the Screenslaver can do. There has been some criticism of Bird for including them, reminiscent of the hysteria 20+ years ago when a post-season Pokemon episode was banned in Japan and never aired at all in the West over reports that a particular Pokemon's effects were causing seizures (a controversy reflected in the title of the classic BESM book Cute and Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters). Did brad Bird understand the effect the scene would have on people prone to seizures? Was there some other way? 

I think a hypnotic rotating spiral effect might have gotten the same point across, though perhaps it was considered and judged too hokey?

[Old Man]

4 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said:

I think a hypnotic rotating spiral effect might have gotten the same point across, though perhaps it was considered and judged too hokey?

 

 

[Pariah]

Okay, so in the first Incredibles movie, we get a shot of Elastigirl lamenting the size of her...posterior. Understandable; having three kids will do that to most women.

 

But here's what I don't quite get: She's a shape-shifter. A pretty freaking talented one, too. If she doesn't want such a generous booty, she could (at least in theory) change her proportions. Couldn't she?

 

Yeah, I know, it would probably cost END, yadda yadda yadda, but still.

 

(Note: This is not a complaint about Elastigirl. I am in favor of a generous booty, and I cannot lie.)

[Starlord]

33 minutes ago, Pariah said:

(Note: This is not a complaint about Elastigirl. I am in favor of a generous booty, and I cannot lie.)

 

Stretching powers offer up a number of interesting real-life...errr, nevermind.  

[Bazza]

2 hours ago, Pariah said:

(Note: This is not a complaint about Elastigirl. I am in favor of a generous booty, and I cannot lie.)

 

I sense there is a big but following that statement.