Starlord

Re: Re: Re: Some more thoughts But, but, but....THEY'RE SO MUCH FUN TO DEBATE!!! *You'd think a Thor fanboy like myself would've known he beat Silver Surfer. How embarassing.

Re: Some more thoughts I'd have to go with Supes on those first match-ups, particularly since they've decided Supes can squeak by Thor (not that I agree with that)...and Thor has trashed Gladiator and Hyperion one-one-one in the comics. Basically, if a true Marvel fan wanted to be sure to beat Superman, I'd just bring in... the Silver Surfer.

Eh, Spidey beats 'em all.

...now what about Batman v. Wolverine?

Blind internal compromise is part of human nature. When faced with the probable defeat of your hero, you manifest a situation in which that hero might win. Cap wins fights...better than Batman in my opinion. Batman is great in a fight. What makes him different and unique from Cap is that he solves crimes, deduces mysteries, and is a master manipulator. Cap becomes a victim of the simple idealist syndrome. For some reason because of his nature, he is not seen as clever. You also, unfortunately, see signs of this in DC's portrayal of Superman. Batman beat Superman? Eh. Wow, he used the clever 'kryptonite' strategy. Brilliantly insightful plan that was. It is a total insult to Superman's character to suggest Batman should beat him. The Superman I used to read was brilliant. An intellect easily on par with Batman. Idealistic, yes...but by no means gullible. An intelligently written Superman would usually be prepared for someone to use his one weakness against him. Bah.

I enjoyed the FF run in Heroes Reborn, but then I freely admit to being an unabashed Jim Lee fanboy.

Re: Re: Superman's Odd Behaviour Same here, but Cap seems more 'fuzzy'. Except for his 'fascist' comments early on...he appeared much more 'in character' than Superman. And agreeing to help Batman seems to go against the theory as well.

The image is cool (and if it's not Perez it's a good imitator), but not the 'idea' of it in my opinion. In other words, if this turns out to be a 'let's-give-all-our-powers-and-weapons-to-Supes-and-he'll-save-the-day' type of ending, I'll be disappointed. It also might indicate that Superman has gone crazy or is mentally controlled and has 'taken' the items. I won't like that either. Supes may be the greatest comics hero every, but none of the heroes should be that 'singled out' in this series.

Posted this on the NGD Forums, and thought it'd go well here too.

Well they already made it ridiculously hard enough to fathom by having Supes actually win against a superior opponent, your suggestion would just be totally unbelievable.

Hmmm. I can't see a scenario where Nightwing could boss Thor around like Captain America can. Nightwing: "Thor! Fetch my slippers!" Thor: "I SAY THEE NAY, STRIPLING!!"

Yes, Cap is less clever than Batman...but that's not what I said. You'll not convince me that Batman is a more clever 'fighter' (which IS what I said) than Captain America. We'll just have to agree to disagree. In this particular context, we have Batman essentially admitting Cap could beat him in a one-on-one fight. To use your own words...this is no shame. Cap is all about fighting. Doesn't make him the better superhero, Bats maybe falls short of him there, but surpasses him in many non-martial skills.

Re: Just IMO Agreed for the most part. You alluded to where I was going later in your post. Cap would manage team tactics better. I think Batman can even things out because, whether leading or not, he would quickly deduce the villains weakness and use his teammates to exploit it.

Well, noone would know for sure what's coming next from either of them. That doesn't have anything to do with unfair or dirty tactics, just clever fighting. Cap isn't a 'clever' fighter??? For example, Bats couldn't be prepared for Caps to seemingly throw his shield away, meanwhile its bouncing off 5 walls, and streaking for his back. That's not 'dirty' or 'unfair', just clever.

I'm trivializing it because it doesn't make sense. Batman is a relatively unknown entity to Cap, he'd expect just about anything. Simply using sneaky tricks from his utility belt is not 'unfair', he is merely using the weapons at his disposal. Cap would be ready for that (whether he could counter them is another matter). To Cap all is fair once battle commences. 'Unfair' tactics would only work out of combat against Cap, perhaps depending on Bats getting Cap to trust him, then deceiving him. Anyway, you had Bats himself admitting Cap is the better one-on-one fighter. They're probably even as combat leaders. However, Batman's strengths don't just focus on combat, he is most dangerous behind-the-scenes figuring things out. Recently, Cap was powerless against the Triune Understanding. He didn't understand how to deal with them. I imagine Bats infiltrating their organization and exposing them in one issue or so.

That is always brought up in the bazillions of Cap vs. Bats debates we've had here. I still don't understand the assumption that Cap would fall to the ground weeping in fear if someone didn't fight 'fair'. The Red Skull is such an 'honorable' opponent.

Check out the first page of the Superhero Images thread.

Hmmm. The effects would seem to me to indicate a Social Limitation since the constant negative stories would disturb the character's interaction with society and/or what others think of him. Although it depends on the size/influence of the magazine, I would make it a 5 pt. Occasional, Minor.

Being a somewhat Cincinnatian, I think it would mean that Dr. Destroyer would be alot less hated.

The rust will go away. The bright side is that you've done the hard part, ie. finding an actual group of 'reasonable' adults to game with.

Social Limitation that depends on how often a lethal situation arises for the members of that precinct. For your average officer I'd say it's 10 points for Occasionally, Major.

Here's another for PhantomGM:

- I believe the 'rip-off' argument is weak. Aren't all characters inspired by other characters, who are inspired by other characters, etc? I don't think there are any 'new' ideas when it comes to literary characters. -Re: The Champions fight - My first inclination would go to Ironclad to be the winner, particularly if he had large things to throw available. He has the SPD and fighting ability to keep pace with everyone except Nighthawk. He would be unaffected by Witchcraft's Transform. His Defenses would help with Nighthawk and the other's Ranged attacks. His Find Weakness punch would removed any of them from the fight immediately. His Leaping might allow him to get within reach of the flyers. So, especially given that he had large things to throw and use for area attacks, I think he'd be the best chance to come thru in a one-on-one Champions tournament. -An interesting fight would be between Nighthawk and Kinetik, if you allowed him to participate. He's faster, and he might just do enough damage to make it thru Nighthawk's defenses.

First off, I like Nighthawk. Enjoy intense, but not over-the-top characters. Minor quibbles: 1. Weak origin - He becomes a super-intense, criminal-hating street level crimefighter because of...slight facial scarring? Erm, his COM dropped to 10, wow his life is certainly ruined. Shoulda killed off his kid sister or something as well. Throw in some guilt that he was powerless to protect her or something. 2. Mask/Helmet - A 'duck'? I dunno, I just think the beak sticking out a foot from your head with big bird-eyes (in SOME illustrations) makes him look more like a goofy sports team mascot than an intense, supposedly somewhat scary crimefighter. 3. Nightwind - Nightwind/Nighthawk in the same city, and working together fairly often. Name similiarity jokes probably come up often. PS - Loved Seeker as I've pointed out before. Very original and loveable character in my opinion.

I think the more important question is...Does your hero prefer his underwear on the outside or inside of his tights?