TrickstaPriest

This is another reason America's longtime allies hope it can get its act together. China as the world's dominant power is a frightening prospect.

My reply might have been harsh - this isn't an endemic problem in every city, but it is a major problem in cities with a huge black population.  Baltimore, for example.
 
Even outside of that, I know quite a few people who've been mistreated by officers.  This is everything from highway patrol going "you don't deserve to be in the military!  I'm going to call your CO!" to literal "tell us the black kids at the party brought the drugs and we'll let you off, kid".
 
Even in 'the good ones' we've seen quite a few cities with issues when 'push comes to shove'.  Slashed tires and smashed windows, people attacked out of the blue because emotions ran hot on a protest line, etc.  But this is nothing compared to police unions literally negotiating 'special powers and privileges' to make it impossible to track bad behavior from specific officers.  I'm sure we've seen by now that thread about an Ontario officer -trying- to report bad behavior, and being mistreated at every single authority level for it, even to the point of being threatened by death.  Even in 'good' cities, that level of obstruction can exist. 
 
I think it's worth seeing just how many cities use these laws to cover for their officers, I think it's worth seeing how many cases there are of this level of malfeasance.  And that, specifically, is what's incensing officers to use the government-granted authority to use violence (or withdraw protection), for daring to be upset about that.
 
Almost all of the money that goes from you to your city goes into police budgets.  If they want to say "if you don't like it, we won't protect you", for those on this thread please imagine that coming from your government.  That might help you understand how someone else feels about that.  "If you don't like the job we do, we'll stop allowing you to buy from the stores that exist only because of our government.  We'll tell police not to go to your neighborhood.  Go get supplies on your own.  You want a home loan?  Too bad, you were in a protest."  Think about that message, please.

My reply might have been harsh - this isn't an endemic problem in every city, but it is a major problem in cities with a huge black population.  Baltimore, for example.
 
Even outside of that, I know quite a few people who've been mistreated by officers.  This is everything from highway patrol going "you don't deserve to be in the military!  I'm going to call your CO!" to literal "tell us the black kids at the party brought the drugs and we'll let you off, kid".
 
Even in 'the good ones' we've seen quite a few cities with issues when 'push comes to shove'.  Slashed tires and smashed windows, people attacked out of the blue because emotions ran hot on a protest line, etc.  But this is nothing compared to police unions literally negotiating 'special powers and privileges' to make it impossible to track bad behavior from specific officers.  I'm sure we've seen by now that thread about an Ontario officer -trying- to report bad behavior, and being mistreated at every single authority level for it, even to the point of being threatened by death.  Even in 'good' cities, that level of obstruction can exist. 
 
I think it's worth seeing just how many cities use these laws to cover for their officers, I think it's worth seeing how many cases there are of this level of malfeasance.  And that, specifically, is what's incensing officers to use the government-granted authority to use violence (or withdraw protection), for daring to be upset about that.
 
Almost all of the money that goes from you to your city goes into police budgets.  If they want to say "if you don't like it, we won't protect you", for those on this thread please imagine that coming from your government.  That might help you understand how someone else feels about that.  "If you don't like the job we do, we'll stop allowing you to buy from the stores that exist only because of our government.  We'll tell police not to go to your neighborhood.  Go get supplies on your own.  You want a home loan?  Too bad, you were in a protest."  Think about that message, please.

Literally that attitude is "if you want the services 90% of your city's budget goes to then you have to put up with us planting evidence or beating people we don't like and us putting toy guns on kids we accidentally shoot so we don't have to see a courtroom."

To move away from American politics for a moment: China forces birth control on Muslims to suppress population
 
I was struck by how one academic observer of Uighur affairs characterized it as "slow, painful, creeping genocide."

My reply might have been harsh - this isn't an endemic problem in every city, but it is a major problem in cities with a huge black population.  Baltimore, for example.
 
Even outside of that, I know quite a few people who've been mistreated by officers.  This is everything from highway patrol going "you don't deserve to be in the military!  I'm going to call your CO!" to literal "tell us the black kids at the party brought the drugs and we'll let you off, kid".
 
Even in 'the good ones' we've seen quite a few cities with issues when 'push comes to shove'.  Slashed tires and smashed windows, people attacked out of the blue because emotions ran hot on a protest line, etc.  But this is nothing compared to police unions literally negotiating 'special powers and privileges' to make it impossible to track bad behavior from specific officers.  I'm sure we've seen by now that thread about an Ontario officer -trying- to report bad behavior, and being mistreated at every single authority level for it, even to the point of being threatened by death.  Even in 'good' cities, that level of obstruction can exist. 
 
I think it's worth seeing just how many cities use these laws to cover for their officers, I think it's worth seeing how many cases there are of this level of malfeasance.  And that, specifically, is what's incensing officers to use the government-granted authority to use violence (or withdraw protection), for daring to be upset about that.
 
Almost all of the money that goes from you to your city goes into police budgets.  If they want to say "if you don't like it, we won't protect you", for those on this thread please imagine that coming from your government.  That might help you understand how someone else feels about that.  "If you don't like the job we do, we'll stop allowing you to buy from the stores that exist only because of our government.  We'll tell police not to go to your neighborhood.  Go get supplies on your own.  You want a home loan?  Too bad, you were in a protest."  Think about that message, please.

They're not the only industry in this bucket.  Throw in bars, restaurants (mitigated a little by food delivery services), movie theaters, any public sporting events, etc.
 
Granted, the death rate is still quite low in Texas, but we're definitely moving upwards.
 
Case count is skyrocketing.  Our daily rate is about 10x of what it was a month ago.
 
On the plus side I did *not* get COVID-19 from the surgical center.
 

Literally that attitude is "if you want the services 90% of your city's budget goes to then you have to put up with us planting evidence or beating people we don't like and us putting toy guns on kids we accidentally shoot so we don't have to see a courtroom."

Oh, the DNC regularly gets donations from police unions.  Which is why there's been no effort to change any of this.

When you tie that to the 'brotherhoods/gangs' post earlier, you begin to see why there might be real fears about police behavior and brutality.
 
Planting drugs is a thing.  Police in Florida were recorded talking about how much they liked doing it.
 
Take a minute to think how much it does to a single family, to have that happen once.  Emotionally and financially.
 
Then think about what happens to a community that has even a single police officer doing this, even just once a month.  Over the course of ten years.
 
A single bad officer can crush an entire community into poverty for multiple generations this way.
 
It's not a surprise to me that people feel upset.  It's not universal, but where it's a problem, it's an incredibly impossible problem to solve.

If we want to talk about anti science complicity, let me talk to you about Australia and climate change... XD

If we want to talk about anti science complicity, let me talk to you about Australia and climate change... XD

Only if no measures were taken.  
 
 

 

I think the connection is too loose, altho it could well have contributed.  The resentment, tho, is real...can't do this, can't do that, masks are a pain.  Now couple that with the views that others aren't doing it...the protests are only one such...and by and large, the impossibility of broad enforcement, and still viewed as the scattershot risk (I suspect)...those still willing to Do the Right Thing will be in the decline.
 
And we can't ignore the complicity of the White House.  The coronavirus task force met the press today;  I caught one question to Pence, asking about the conflict between saying "follow your local leaders" and holding rallies in Tulsa against local desire.  Pence responded with a total BS "free assembly" argument.  I shut it down right there...that was way past my limit.  We can't deny the effectiveness of the long-term disinformation campaigns related to science generally, and to this situation in particular.  Proof of that was the rant about the devil, and masks making you sick, posted recently.

When you tie that to the 'brotherhoods/gangs' post earlier, you begin to see why there might be real fears about police behavior and brutality.
 
Planting drugs is a thing.  Police in Florida were recorded talking about how much they liked doing it.
 
Take a minute to think how much it does to a single family, to have that happen once.  Emotionally and financially.
 
Then think about what happens to a community that has even a single police officer doing this, even just once a month.  Over the course of ten years.
 
A single bad officer can crush an entire community into poverty for multiple generations this way.
 
It's not a surprise to me that people feel upset.  It's not universal, but where it's a problem, it's an incredibly impossible problem to solve.

When you tie that to the 'brotherhoods/gangs' post earlier, you begin to see why there might be real fears about police behavior and brutality.
 
Planting drugs is a thing.  Police in Florida were recorded talking about how much they liked doing it.
 
Take a minute to think how much it does to a single family, to have that happen once.  Emotionally and financially.
 
Then think about what happens to a community that has even a single police officer doing this, even just once a month.  Over the course of ten years.
 
A single bad officer can crush an entire community into poverty for multiple generations this way.
 
It's not a surprise to me that people feel upset.  It's not universal, but where it's a problem, it's an incredibly impossible problem to solve.

When you tie that to the 'brotherhoods/gangs' post earlier, you begin to see why there might be real fears about police behavior and brutality.
 
Planting drugs is a thing.  Police in Florida were recorded talking about how much they liked doing it.
 
Take a minute to think how much it does to a single family, to have that happen once.  Emotionally and financially.
 
Then think about what happens to a community that has even a single police officer doing this, even just once a month.  Over the course of ten years.
 
A single bad officer can crush an entire community into poverty for multiple generations this way.
 
It's not a surprise to me that people feel upset.  It's not universal, but where it's a problem, it's an incredibly impossible problem to solve.

When you tie that to the 'brotherhoods/gangs' post earlier, you begin to see why there might be real fears about police behavior and brutality.
 
Planting drugs is a thing.  Police in Florida were recorded talking about how much they liked doing it.
 
Take a minute to think how much it does to a single family, to have that happen once.  Emotionally and financially.
 
Then think about what happens to a community that has even a single police officer doing this, even just once a month.  Over the course of ten years.
 
A single bad officer can crush an entire community into poverty for multiple generations this way.
 
It's not a surprise to me that people feel upset.  It's not universal, but where it's a problem, it's an incredibly impossible problem to solve.

When you tie that to the 'brotherhoods/gangs' post earlier, you begin to see why there might be real fears about police behavior and brutality.
 
Planting drugs is a thing.  Police in Florida were recorded talking about how much they liked doing it.
 
Take a minute to think how much it does to a single family, to have that happen once.  Emotionally and financially.
 
Then think about what happens to a community that has even a single police officer doing this, even just once a month.  Over the course of ten years.
 
A single bad officer can crush an entire community into poverty for multiple generations this way.
 
It's not a surprise to me that people feel upset.  It's not universal, but where it's a problem, it's an incredibly impossible problem to solve.

The current Secretary of Education is a blood traitor whose soul (if any) should be sucked out through her mouth isn't qualified to hold the position.
 
Not in terms of experience--not only has she never been an educator nor an administrator, but neither she nor her children have ever attended a public school at any level.
 
Not in terms of understanding how public schools are supposed to work--she's convinced that vouchers and government support of private schools, even religiously-based private schools, will fix the problems in public education by forcing public schools to "up their game".
 
And certainly not in terms of conflict of interest--her family has a lot invested in alternative education schemes. 
 
The "highlight" of her tenure in the office has been a relaxation of Title IX standards in sexual assault cases on campuses, supposedly in the name of offering equal protection to the accused.
 
Does anyone think for the briefest fraction of a second that this individual knows or cares anything about how to keep American students safe during the biggest global pandemic in a century?

The head of the Department of Education would actually like to dismantle the public education system. Why pay for something when you've already outsourced the factory jobs to other countries?

I propose we stop calling coronavirus 'CV' on a Hero System Forum. 

There's the US public education system for you.  They want you just smart enough to handle a factory job (Thanks, Prussia!) but not smart enough to critically think.

In the long term order isn't maintained by laws, or by force, or by fear. Order is maintained when the majority of citizens believe in the rightness of the system they live under. If that belief is lost, chaos is just a matter of time.

This can be true in negociational situations, where you demand everything and refuse to budge.  But as long as you recognize that progress towards the goal is what this is about, then you can achieve.  Not quickly, probably not steadily, but you can achieve, unless the resistance to change is greater than the force attempting to make the change.  (Gun laws would be an example.)