I wonder how many have stopped using Champions/HERO for similar reasons to this?

[GhostDancer]

Oh, every local GM I know would allow OIF for this.

[pinecone]

Yeah, Obvious, hard, but not impossible to take....looks like OIF to me. I used to build Wings that way, they cannot be "taken" without surgery, but they are easy to "grab" or otherwise disable...it's all good.

[IndianaJoe3]

Yeah, Obvious, hard, but not impossible to take....looks like OIF to me. I used to build Wings that way, they cannot be "taken" without surgery, but they are easy to "grab" or otherwise disable...it's all good.

 

Wings are the canonical example of, "Retrainable." They can't be removed but they can be rendered useless without removing them.

[esampson]

I'm guessing he means he use to do that in earlier editions, before there was Restrainable.

[Hugh Neilson]

The answer to this, Hugh, is you have to pick an option the rules allow.

Your rules say it is both inaccessible, and not inaccessible. The rules do not appear to allow the construct at all. IOW, I think you need to revisit this decision tree so that each answer leads to a conclusion.

[IndianaJoe3]

I'm guessing he means he use to do that in earlier editions, before there was Restrainable.

 

IIRC, "Restrainable" made its first appearance in one of the Almanacs for 4e. I don't have 5e handy so I can't confirm its existence there, but it certainly could be a form of Limited Power.

[Greywind]

It's in 5th.

[fbdaury]

Prior to 5th there were powers bought with Foulable- early version of Restrainable to represent something like wings that could be grabbed/entangled or jet pack/boots that could be jammed with web, etc.

 

Edit: At least I'm fairly certain that I saw this somewhere prior to 5th on some characters in published books.

[Greywind]

Enemies: Wyvern has generic OAF on his flight for his wings. So the intent is there from the beginning.

[fbdaury]

I went back and read through 4th edition Classic Enemies and it made me laugh- how exactly were you supposed to rip off Dark Seraph wings?   They were bought as OAF after-all.

[pinecone]

I just took that to mean they were easy to disable...Zot! (Feathers fly!)

[Scott Baker]

I went back and read through 4th edition Classic Enemies and it made me laugh- how exactly were you supposed to rip off Dark Seraph wings?   They were bought as OAF after-all.

Not going to dig through to find my 4th book right now for exact wording, but clear back in 1E (yes it's sitting in front of me) the focus description states that, "an accessible Focus is one which an opponent can remove or make useless in combat." You don't have to rip the wings off, just bind them, pull the feathers, whatever.

[dsatow]

OK, I'll play:

 

 

Yes, the powers obviously come from the focus

 

 

No, it takes a full phase.

 

 

No, it takes a full phase.

 

So my focus is obvious and both accessible and inaccessible?

 

I'll use a common saying from Steve: "It depends on your GM."

 

As for me, its accessible if a person using a disarm maneuver can disarm the focus.  Some people call a focus accessible if they can access the focus and render it inert while in the character's possession.  I see that as restrainable. So my rule of thumb generally is, if it can be disarmed from you via a maneuver, its accessible.