Storn Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 The nice folks at DOJ let me post 3 or 4 images per book. I happened to do the MMM art in color, because I think it translates into gray scale with lots of subltle tones. Also known as "happy accidents". So, now that MMM is out, I thought I would share with y'all what the color art looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storn Posted December 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 this Ifrit can almost work as a superhero/villain type too. Tell yer Champion's friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storn Posted December 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 sharthak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storn Posted December 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Uthosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 They're all good, but for some reason I really like Uthosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Oh if only hero'd print in color...Those are nice. I'm partial to the Ifrit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earen Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 I like them too ... though I like the Hobgoblin best. Not sure why ... because he's in a pose that seems to give off more intelligence than most would ascribe to a hobgoblin. I guess it just catches my eye ... whereas the others are kinda ... "yeah, that makes sense." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Great work as usaul Nice strategic use of steam/smoke on the Ifrit . A great color job on the Uthosa . The Hobgoblin looks good enough for a Player Character to use . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnoViking Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Originally posted by Rick Oh if only hero'd print in color...Those are nice. I'm partial to the Ifrit Color would be good, but a fiscal stable company is better. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storn Posted December 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Please, folks, lets not dredge up the color print thang again.... .. I do these color not to pressure DOJ or make y'all wishful, but because its helpful for me. It allows me to work on my color skills. It creates happy accidents in the grayscale. And it allows me to post color on the forums to advertise a bit for myself and for DOJ. Maybe they can show up on the sidebars... that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuk Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Great images, all of them -- makes me want MMM even more, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadorn Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Originally posted by lemming They're all good, but for some reason I really like Uthosa ME too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadorn Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Re: my MMM color versions Originally posted by Storn The nice folks at DOJ let me post 3 or 4 images per book. I happened to do the MMM art in color, because I think it translates into gray scale with lots of subltle tones. Also known as "happy accidents". So, now that MMM is out, I thought I would share with y'all what the color art looks like. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 They are all good. But I like the shark dude the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasar Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Hey Storn, Very nice images. Has there been any thought put into selling electronic collections of all the images from a given product in the Online Store, or even for free in galleries like WotC does? I'd certainly purchase (or download) them for use as hand outs, or to help illustrate an encounter, or to shrink down and turn into stand-up counters. Just a thought. Quasar Earth's Mightiest Hero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storn Posted December 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Originally posted by Quasar Hey Storn, Very nice images. Has there been any thought put into selling electronic collections of all the images from a given product in the Online Store, or even for free in galleries like WotC does? I'd certainly purchase (or download) them for use as hand outs, or to help illustrate an encounter, or to shrink down and turn into stand-up counters. Just a thought. Quasar Earth's Mightiest Hero Not my call. DOJ owns the artwork. I think this has come up before and the short answer is no. The gentle answer is that DOJ is small and the return on the amount of work it would take to put such a package would probably be small. I think they would rather spend the time getting the next book out. I do know that DOJ has publically said that Shades of Black pdf, which got rave reveiws, did very poorly. And every time I see posts here or over on RPGnet about "art in gaming and do you use it".. it really comes down to the art users are a minority. Even in something as art centric is a superhero comicbook emulation. I wish that weren't so, but I've heard over and over "I don't even look at the pictures in the rulebook". So, there doesn't seem to be widespread interest in a gaming product like that. So I took the time out to post them. So y'all can see them too. You're getting them for free... Not every illustration that I do for Hero is in color, but some of them are. I don't want to be put into a place, without compensation, of having to do color for every illustration. If I *want* to do color and time permits great. It is easy to translate it to grayscale, but it is extra time and work that I have to put in. How many artists have you heard of willing to do color artwork for interior price rates? I appreciate your interest. And maybe if there is enough interest and DOJ can make money in a decent ratio to the work involved, can protect their property...after all, the artwork is their property... it might happened. But I don't think anytime soon. But keep campaigning for it... it might happen down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadorn Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Originally posted by Quasar Hey Storn, Very nice images. Has there been any thought put into selling electronic collections of all the images from a given product in the Online Store, or even for free in galleries like WotC does? I'd certainly purchase (or download) them for use as hand outs, or to help illustrate an encounter, or to shrink down and turn into stand-up counters. Just a thought. Good Idea. Pictures of monsters are not much good without stats, unless you want to spend hours and hours creating them. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadorn Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Originally posted by Storn How many artists have you heard of willing to do color artwork for interior price rates? We all have to make our money Storn, I'm a professional writer - I know the feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasar Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Originally posted by Galadorn Good Idea. Pictures of monsters are not much good without stats, unless you want to spend hours and hours creating them. LOL You sound like you may have missed my point. I'm not talking about a book of pictures, or that they don't release the books like they normally do. What I am suggesting is making the JPEG files of the artwork available free, or as a purchasable download from this site for those of us who want to use the artwork for our games in one way or another. I might not even use it for Hero games, but D&D. Quasar The Earth's Mightiest Hero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 I think that DoJ is far more careful with its intellectual property. They are a young company with limited resources and are rightfully being very cautious. It's easy to control their IP right now. If they were to release the type of products you are describing, and later decide it was a mistake, it's hard to put the cat back in the bag, so to speak. OTOH, they are very generous in allowing artists to post small samples of their published work. I recently colorized some of the artwork I did for the FH Grimoire (Kind of backwards to Storn's situation.) If anyone would like to see them, I'll go ahead and post a few. Keith "yet another artist" Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keneton Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Originally posted by keithcurtis I recently colorized some of the artwork I did for the FH Grimoire (Kind of backwards to Storn's situation.) If anyone would like to see them, I'll go ahead and post a few. Keith "yet another artist" Curtis A chant rises from the herophiles ringing throughout all of herodome. . . POST POST POST! Bob "Id really like that Keith" Pennington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcholmes Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Originally posted by Storn And every time I see posts here or over on RPGnet about "art in gaming and do you use it".. it really comes down to the art users are a minority. Even in something as art centric is a superhero comicbook emulation. I wish that weren't so, but I've heard over and over "I don't even look at the pictures in the rulebook". Wow. I had no idea I was so much in the minority on this. I almost never get into a game that doesn't have good art. I don't "use it" in the sense of passing it out to players or whatnot, but the look of a game setting hugely influences my feel for a campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 I don't care for a game with poor production values, but I don't particularly pay attention to the art either, good or bad. Good art is wonderful for the first couple of weeks, but unless it's truly stunning, it vanishes after awhile. In particular I never use pregenerated campaign worlds. So the only pertinent art in a game book is the generic stuff, which my players can imagine with ease. (Admittedly bad art does stand out for a lot longer.) For me good art exists to market the book. That's no small consideration, but it doesn't affect me personally very much. I buy game books for their rules, period. Since I pretty much only game in Hero, marketing tactics are not needed to sell to me. -AA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylwin13 Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Originally posted by bcholmes Wow. I had no idea I was so much in the minority on this. I almost never get into a game that doesn't have good art. I don't "use it" in the sense of passing it out to players or whatnot, but the look of a game setting hugely influences my feel for a campaign. Well, BC, I guess were a minority of at least 2. I'm a huge comics fan (although I no longer buy the "stuff" that's coming out now, I did collect and read for 15 years) and comics are, first and foremost, a visual medium. If you take away the pics, you have an incomplete novel. In Champions I'm simulating a comic book story. Therefore, I want pics. I want to be able to show the players what the characters, locations, vehicles look like. I use maps and minis as well. If we had holo-technology, I'd use that too. I want to "see" the game. That goes for my gamebooks as well. "Show it too me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Originally posted by bcholmes Wow. I had no idea I was so much in the minority on this. I almost never get into a game that doesn't have good art. I don't "use it" in the sense of passing it out to players or whatnot, but the look of a game setting hugely influences my feel for a campaign. I can't count the number of times from my old D&D days that the GM would say something along the lines of "You see this!" and turn the Monster Manual around to show us what we were about to kill for its treasure. I think people may SAY they don't look at the art, but it I believe it influences them nevertheless. Ask any 1st ed. AD&D player what a kobold looks like and they'll describe a little runty lizard-dog thing, not a (mytho-)historical house elf/gnome. Keith "or am I missing the point?" Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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