Supreme Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Just for fun, I thought I'd calculate what STR Hercules would have to be. The one time that I know of in which Hercules' strength was pushed to its limits was when he took over holding up the Earth from Atlas. It wasn't easy for him, but he was able to support the weight of the Earth long enough for Atlas to walk around, talk to a few people and come back. So, the Earth weighs about 6 x 10^18 kilotons. To be able to hold that up would require a 390 STR. This would make your base PD 78. Your minimum base REC is 80 (assuming a CON of at least 10) which I believe translates to 8 Body recovered a day which is one Body every three hours. Your leap would also be 78". Toss a -1/4 lim on that (OIHID or something like that) and this is actually an affordable character. Can't hit anyone with an OCV of 3? Hit 'em with the friggin' planet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 I think I'd rather put the points in Presence. Who's going to doubt your divinity then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Posted March 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by Hermit I think I'd rather put the points in Presence. Who's going to doubt your divinity then? Automatons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Hmm... If I were to use 400 points to dump into another single ability to make a god of a stat other than STR, how about DEX? 390 points would give me a 140 DEX, for an OCV/DCV of 47. My DEX Roll would be 37-. Even at a -10 for doing the impossible, and another -10 for doing the impossibly impossible, I'd still succeed 99.5% of the time. My base SPD would be a 16, allowing me double actions four times per Turn. Need to target the head of a DCV 10 villain? -8. From 4000 hexes away? -40. You'll still hit on a 10 or less. Who needs MegaScale? Now, off to contemplate +390 points of PRE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Posted March 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by Hermit I think I'd rather put the points in Presence. Who's going to doubt your divinity then? You could also pump it into COM and have every (straight) woman (and gay man) in the world flock to your defense. That effectively amounts to 3,000,000,000 followers. Nothing to sneeze at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 one small problem the character would have no skills! (except everyman ones) what if he had to solve a crime? And isnt he a bit restricted in his powers I suppose after a few points you can buy: 12d6 mind control: one command forget RSR:Strength check Mental power based off con (hit em so hard he gets amnesia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPheemy Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Heck, with a COM of 800, you'd get people flocking to your defense regardless of sexual orientation. Eunichs on Mental Castration drug regimens would be laying down their lives to keep you from harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acroyear Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 .... but the world was actually much smaller and lighter then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 How about a 210 CON? You'd be VERY popular with the members of the opposite sex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Even better -- 400 Overall Levels. That's a +40 at doing ANYTHING. What's the penalty for attempting an untrained skill, -10? -20? No problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamashii2000 Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 400 points into INT Perception Roll/Intelegence Roll: 89 or less I see and can figure out EVERYTHING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Posted March 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by Tamashii2000 400 points into INT Perception Roll/Intelegence Roll: 89 or less I see and can figure out EVERYTHING! Yeah, but then you figure out that you're doomed because you didn't spend any points on offense or defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 210 Body would be fun--you could jump off a tall building several times. A planet destroying attack would probably leave you alive! 400 points: VPP, cosmic, 80 active: 200 points Full Life Support: 50 points Regen from death, recover lost limbs: about 25 points +50 PRE, +50 END, +10 Dex, +2 SPD(5 total): 125 points You can make a presence attack, and shift the VPP levels around to do whatever you want, while they're awestruck. Technically, you could put 80 points of the VPP into a 400 point multiform(replete with higher stats), or set up a megascale change environment to control weather conditions, or broadcast your voice across a city. 80 points would also give you persistent desolidification, or fully invisible desolidification(invulnerability). But if you want to do everything Odin Highfather can do all at once, it's gonna run into the four digit range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Re: Just 400 Points to be a God Originally posted by Supreme So, the Earth weighs about 6 x 10^18 kilotons. To be able to hold that up would require a 390 STR. This would make your base PD 78. Your minimum base REC is 80 (assuming a CON of at least 10) which I believe translates to 8 Body recovered a day which is one Body every three hours. Your leap would also be 78". Toss a -1/4 lim on that (OIHID or something like that) and this is actually an affordable character. Can't hit anyone with an OCV of 3? Hit 'em with the friggin' planet! Personally, I'd build him with an 80-90 STR, and then use a MP slot to buy +300 STR, Only For Lifting. While he is a god, I don't believe the literature supports any of the secondary stats he'd get from a 390 STR. Or I am I taking this too seriously?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Re: Re: Just 400 Points to be a God Originally posted by Graviton Personally, I'd build him with an 80-90 STR, and then use a MP slot to buy +300 STR, Only For Lifting. While he is a god, I don't believe the literature supports any of the secondary stats he'd get from a 390 STR. Or I am I taking this too seriously?!? You're taking this too seriously:D Hercules' bow had a mile range as well. That'd be fun to write up... and imagine the PSLs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Re: Re: Re: Just 400 Points to be a God Originally posted by MisterVimes You're taking this too seriously:D Yeah. Thought so. It's a Psych Lim, whattyagonnado? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamashii2000 Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Re: Re: Re: Just 400 Points to be a God Originally posted by MisterVimes You're taking this too seriously:D Hercules' bow had a mile range as well. That'd be fun to write up... and imagine the PSLs What I want to see is the write up for Thor's hammer. Always hits, kills what ever it hits. Aren't godly weapons cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 What Hercules can do. And something else Marvel Comics once had Hercules strapped in a harness to pull the island of Manhatten back into position in New York after a villain stole it. And that is a more recent example. But DC's Spectre (pre Hal Jordon) takes the cake for power. Giant size smacking a planet on top of the sorceror Wotan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 My first time playing Champions... ...one of my teammates (a super patriot flying brick with a high PRE as well) had a 50 COM. The Super Villainnesses wouldn't leave us alone, they were constantly trying to get rid of us to get to him, to enslave him or well, something. He was always getting notes to dine with them and 'chat'. It was alot of fun, he was our team leader for quite awhile. His Secret ID was an actor playing his hero side in films, though noone realized they were the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 High Presence Loreli in Strike orce started at 50 Com and got to 70 Com. She had powers built around Unconscious Psychic/Pheremone powers. Some of these just upped her appearance or made men really think twice before attacking her. And she had a High Presence which kicked in when she was particularly frightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Posted March 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Re: What Hercules can do. And something else Originally posted by death tribble Marvel Comics once had Hercules strapped in a harness to pull the island of Manhatten back into position in New York after a villain stole it. And that is a more recent example. But DC's Spectre (pre Hal Jordon) takes the cake for power. Giant size smacking a planet on top of the sorceror Wotan. I never read the original Hercules-towing comic, but Marvel once did put out a list of its own writing/editing blunders of all time, edited by Stan Lee. As Stan pointed out: Not only does this suppose that Manhattan floats, which it doesn't, but that it can be pulled in through passageways that are narrower than it is wide. Also, the artist showed Hercules towing it in backwards. Battery Park was in the north where Harlem should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Gnome Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 What? Now you want me to tow it back out and turn it around? Varlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Squirrel Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Just a minor note, but Hercules was only a half-god. Hercules is also my cat. So he must have the Psychological Limitation: Random Mewing Fits with no apparent purpose other than to drive the rest of the room nuts trying to figure out what cat is communicating. (Frequent, Total) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Posted March 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Originally posted by Super Squirrel Just a minor note, but Hercules was only a half-god. Hercules is also my cat. So he must have the Psychological Limitation: Random Mewing Fits with no apparent purpose other than to drive the rest of the room nuts trying to figure out what cat is communicating. (Frequent, Total) The greek version of Hercules (Herakles?) started out as a half-god, but was "promoted" upon his death. The roman Hercules was all god from the beginning. And random mewing fits is one of the reasons why I prefer dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Originally posted by Supreme And random mewing fits is one of the reasons why I prefer dogs. I like cats AND dogs. I like cats with Mustard and dogs with ketchup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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