austenandrews Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Day-um! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Yeah. Boomerang once gave Iron Fist a harder time at this, but that was largely because it's much harder to Missile Deflect things that detonate on contact, or magnetically attach your hand to them and kick in a jet thruster that sends it back up a couple hundred feet and then drags you on a mid-air tour of Greater New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Would you put Dr. Strange in the top 10 or 25 of martial artists? And he got a hit on Mantis who you put in as #1? And Mantis proves ineffectual in how many stories? I wouldn't put Strange in the top 10. Not sure about the top 25. Not sure how many stories Mantis proves ineffectual in, but she did one punch Thor. Much of the ineffectual stuff I believe is a plot device. So in the Defenders comic where Strange hit Mantis, it more to show that Strange is trained in Martial Arts rather than he is on par with Mantis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists I wouldn't put Strange in the top 10. Not sure about the top 25. Not sure how many stories Mantis proves ineffectual in' date=' but she did one punch Thor. Much of the ineffectual stuff I believe is a plot device. So in the Defenders comic where Strange hit Mantis, it more to show that Strange is trained in Martial Arts rather than he is on par with Mantis.[/quote'] See, I'd turn that around. Much of the effectual stuff is a plot device. Mantis just plain sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists See' date=' I'd turn that around. Much of the effectual stuff is a plot device. Mantis just plain sucked.[/quote'] Certainly one-punching Thor sounds like a plot device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Well, throwing things at Iron Fist is usually a complete waste of time... From POWER MAN & IRON FIST #50: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3839/grsp30co.jpg I'd say Bullseye is higher on the food chain than those jobbers. I love PM&IF and, if that's the only reference, Iron Fist doesn't match up with Cap. If he's had a power up since Marvel Discontinuity (the 1990s) started - I wouldn't likely know nor care. So Enforcer84, if you're listening - my ranking was based on my bias toward the Silver and Bronze Age and my bias against Frank Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Certainly one-punching Thor sounds like a plot device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Certainly one-punching Thor sounds like a plot device. Thor is a plot device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists I'd say Bullseye is higher on the food chain than those jobbers. I love PM&IF and, if that's the only reference, Iron Fist doesn't match up with Cap. If he's had a power up since Marvel Discontinuity (the 1990s) started - I wouldn't likely know nor care. So Enforcer84, if you're listening - my ranking was based on my bias toward the Silver and Bronze Age and my bias against Frank Miller. So noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Ummm' date=' actually, the recent MARVEL KNIGHTS run by Chuck Dixon had Shang pulling off a Cassandra Cain-style Matrix-time bullet sidestep (again in clear stop-motion), so he'd be DQ'ed too.[/quote'] I don't want to know this. It might infect my mind and distract me from all the goodness that was The Master of Kung Fu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists See' date=' I'd turn that around. Much of the effectual stuff is a plot device. Mantis just plain sucked.[/quote'] I agree with that. Many of the characters have done things they normally shouldn't be able to. Deciding which feats are the accurate ones and which are the inaccurate ones seems to be the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists I love imageshack!! Chuckg, would you post your entire IF collection for us to read? Please, please, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Eh, I won't say I've *never* pirated anything (just ask my mp3 collection *cough*), but I like to have *limits*... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists OK- First off if we're going to have people like Captain America (superpowered! Super soldier serume) then we should have Spider-man. Spidey could whoop the Captain any day of the week. (He's basically military trained- all martial' date=' no art[/b']- same with Fury and Punisher) Going for characters who rely on skill rather than Strength/Powers, heres my list. I have to wonder if you've studied martial arts when you make this statement. I fail to see the distinction you are trying to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawangaKid Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists 1) Shang-Chi 2) Doctor Strange, Iron Fist 3) Captain America/Black Panther 5) Daredevil, Captain America Clones 6) Mandarin 7) Moon Knight 8) Black Widow 9) Elektra 10) Silver Sable I'd stick Shang-Chi up there, though based on the comics, he's technically a Pulp Hero character rather than a super-martial-artist. Doctor Strange is allegedly one of the best martial artists in the world, but he uses his magic a lot. Iron Fist beat the X-men once, and Wolverine supposedly beat Shang-Chi... but I'm ignoring those... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Mandarin shouldn't be on that list; he's got chi-based super powers good enough to rip Iron Man out of his armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Mantis just plain sucked. Well, Mantis was a Saigon bar girl, so I suspect she did at that. However, I liked Mantis and believe she was a better martial arts than anyone else in the Marvel Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Agenda Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Just got here and haven't read the whole thread, but no Yellow Claw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Well' date=' Mantis was a Saigon bar girl, so I suspect she did at that. However, I liked Mantis and believe she was a better martial arts than anyone else in the Marvel Universe.[/quote'] Mantis is an example of a high Find Weakness roll, thus she can one hit thor on a good day Cap is on the list because depending on who is writing the SSS only raises him to the physical level of the others (Other writers have made him better than that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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