prestidigitator Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Humans would make up for defeciencies with tech. That's right. Technology supplied directly by the Technocracy, I might add (if we're still speaking WoD, that is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves The best approach to humans versus vampires I've seen was in the British series "Ultraviolet". http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A590843 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Omega Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Even in my AnitaUniverse game, it's emphasised that humans have been hunting the supernatural about as much as the reverse. That's why dragons are extinct. I pretty much ignore the vampires v. lycanthropes thing though. It's not White Wolf, the monsters don't have much to feel angsty about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves When the magicians – who I notice are often portrayed as amusingly ignorant of “muggles†– get all superior and snide, I want to walk into the book, and say “Excuse me – you know this ‘unforgiveable curse’ watchamacallit, the most powerful spell there is, that strikes a person dead instantly? ONE person? Muggles have weapons capable of killing most of the people in a city. At one stroke. And the rest will probably wish they were dead. You haven’t SEEN ‘unforgiveable.’ Oh, and those broomsticks you think are so impressive? That carry one comfortably, maybe two? Muggles have devices that transport people through the air by hundreds. No, this incredibly powerful cultural taboo you have to keep yourselves secret from muggles isn’t there to protect them from YOU. Your ancestors were wise enough to create and enforce and pass down this unbreakable taboo to protect you from THEM. If this Voldemort fool ignores that taboo so blatantly he ends up sparking a muggle-wizard war, he’ll wish he’d done something safer, like sign on at Hogwarts to teach Defense against the Dark Arts.†I've read more than a couple of good fic takes on this subject. One, The Muggle Way, posits the idea that the barriers that prevent Muggles from finding the Wizarding World weren't even created by wizards, but by a blood contract with the British Crown. And when the Crown decides that the Wizarding World can't police itself ('pranks' are on the rise), they discuss both sides of the issue, and send in the SAS. Avada Kedavra? I think you've nicknamed that AK? This is my AK, 47 to be precise, and it does what your stick does, only faster. Oh, and if you'll note that blossom of red on your mate's forehead, that's a L42A1, and you'll never find the man who fired it. Wanna surrender to the Muggles now? If not, we've got a lovely bunch of Demo boys who'd love to practise on your houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves However, the non-mage reliance on devices is also a weakness. One of the mages could cause all explosives in the ammunition to discharge in a large area. Or teleport the nuclear bomb before it detonates. It really depends on preparation and who suprises whom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Harry Potter? Please shoot me. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Harry Potter? Please shoot me. Please. :bmk: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Harry Potter? Please shoot me. Please. Avada Kedavra!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhammeWhamme Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Reminds me of something I thought while reading the Harry Potter books, where the magical world has a Masquerade of its own. When the magicians – who I notice are often portrayed as amusingly ignorant of “muggles†– get all superior and snide, I want to walk into the book, and say “Excuse me – you know this ‘unforgiveable curse’ watchamacallit, the most powerful spell there is, that strikes a person dead instantly? ONE person? Muggles have weapons capable of killing most of the people in a city. At one stroke. And the rest will probably wish they were dead. You haven’t SEEN ‘unforgiveable.’ Oh, and those broomsticks you think are so impressive? That carry one comfortably, maybe two? Muggles have devices that transport people through the air by hundreds. No, this incredibly powerful cultural taboo you have to keep yourselves secret from muggles isn’t there to protect them from YOU. Your ancestors were wise enough to create and enforce and pass down this unbreakable taboo to protect you from THEM. If this Voldemort fool ignores that taboo so blatantly he ends up sparking a muggle-wizard war, he’ll wish he’d done something safer, like sign on at Hogwarts to teach Defense against the Dark Arts.†Lucius Alexander The palindromedary reminds me I’m due at work….oh fewmets….gotta run Problem: It was established in book 4 that Muggle technology fails completely and utterly in the presence of sufficient magic (specifically, Hogwarts). (The reason it fails was specified as the abundance of magic there) Not so impressive when the bullet stays in the chamber, the explosive doesn't detonate, and the wizard kills you with some degree of annoyance. Avada Kedavra is scary because it's unstoppable*, not because it kills. Heck... Pettigrew used an explosive spell that killed twelve people in one hit as a diversion when he escaped Sirius the first time (mentioned in book 3). And the mystic transportation is impressive. Portkeys for one. Broomsticks are personal jetpacks... that's impressive. They're _cars_, not planes. *Unless you're Harry Potter, or Dumbledore, or Voldemort. Yeah... I'm not saying I _like_ that viewpoint, but it's justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Problem: It was established in book 4 that Muggle technology fails completely and utterly in the presence of sufficient magic (specifically' date=' Hogwarts).[/quote'] So what counts as Muggle 'technology'? Assault rifles? Flintlock muskets? Compound bows? Telegraph? Signal lamps? Steam engines? I also like the idea that you can effectively scram a nuclear reactor and prevent a meltdown just by shipping the reactor to Hogwarts. In fact, I think we just found the perfect nuclear waste disposal site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jim Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves i thought it was electronics, not technology in general, that magic made "not work" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhammeWhamme Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves So what counts as Muggle 'technology'? Assault rifles? Flintlock muskets? Compound bows? Telegraph? Signal lamps? Steam engines? I also like the idea that you can effectively scram a nuclear reactor and prevent a meltdown just by shipping the reactor to Hogwarts. In fact, I think we just found the perfect nuclear waste disposal site. i thought it was electronics' date=' not technology in general, that magic made "not work"[/quote'] IIRC, Hermione said that it was 'all those devices Muggles use as a substitute for magic' that shut down. The book in question is currently on loan, so I can't double check. It definately includes all electronics; the info came up in regards to the possibility of a walkie talky. Given the possibility of using an Aqualung was seriously discussed and rejected for other reasons, electronics only might be somewhat closer to the mark... then again... Still. Given how poorly defined the limits of magic are (I mean... even 'dead is dead' and 'there is no way to stop Abra Kedavra' have at least two exceptions)... I'm not backing technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves If you want electronics to shut down just put it in the same room as me. Within 10 minutes it'll be short-circuiting. (Sadly, somedays actually feel like that. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvar Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves One would assume that a bullet, being a lump of lead moving very fast, wouldn't suddenly stop working just because it crossed from a "low magic" area to a "high magic" one... Either way, a Muggle/Wizard war would be very unpleasant, for all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethosos Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves I posit that not all technology stops working in the presence of magic... Take the point of book 2... one of the students likes to use his camera. It's assumed to function correctly--and it ain't digital, people. What that bespeaks? Chemical/mechanical actions still work in a concentrated area of magic. That means, simply, a gun will still function as it's designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhammeWhamme Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves I posit that not all technology stops working in the presence of magic... Take the point of book 2... one of the students likes to use his camera. It's assumed to function correctly--and it ain't digital, people. What that bespeaks? Chemical/mechanical actions still work in a concentrated area of magic. That means, simply, a gun will still function as it's designed. There is such thing as a Wizard Camera, with which they take Wzard Photographs (which are quite extensively documented in the series - Wizard Photos wave and move around; Dumbledore on the Chocolate Frog card, Lily and James Potter in Harry's photo album, etc.), Colin, being a young wizard, probably had a Wizard Camera. IIRC, he was from a Wizarding Family? He definately had a Wizard brother, and I think he knew about Harry before coming to Hogwarts. At no point I can think of has anything definately muggle-made has worked within Hogwarts grounds. Except the enchanted car, of course. (But given the car _was enchanted_, grew a personality and drove off of it's own accord, that doesn't exactly speak well of the chances of Muggle technology working there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arac-4105 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Why the frak are we talking Harry Potter? I thought this was about Vampires and Werewolves and, y'know, classical monsters that don't bore me? *ahem* Sorry. I'll shut up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelDoom Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves That d4mn Potter boy is always hijacking threads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Typist Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves Actually, IIRC, the magic photos work because people treated the pictures in a special potion. Not that the camera itself was necessarily magical. Thus, any photo could be dipped in a special bath and become animate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvar Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Re: Curiousity about vampires and werewolves So the legendary conflict between the Werewolves and the Vampires is because the Vampires kept wittering on about Harry Potter and the Werewolves couldn't stand it anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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