Sociotard Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 I recently blew 20 points on a pair of overall skill levels on a character (he had a lot of skills). It's been nice! I can use any skill at 13- or 14- one at a time, my characteristic rolls are great too, plus I get an edge in ranged combat AND hth! It's totally worth it. My question is what Overall can't do. Obviously it can't apply to any Activation Roll powers. Can it apply to Ego CSL's? How about PER rolls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? They work everywhere, unless the GM says otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? They definitly apply in Ego combat and to Perception. The only thing I know of that they "officially" don't apply to are skills that are only Familiarities (i.e. at <=8) and personally I'd probably apply them even to that. I'd be interested to know how many people agree with me there, though. Activation rolls? Don't know, officially. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary thinks if there's something it doesn't apply to it's not an Overall level, it's an Overmost level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? They work everywhere' date=' unless the GM says otherwise.[/quote'] Including PER rolls? Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Including PER Rolls, explicitely mentioned 5ER p70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Oh. You're right. it even mentions activation rolls being possible with GM permission. "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ghost-angel again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstarfire Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Oh. You're right. it even mentions activation rolls being possible with GM permission. That's because activation rolls are often used to simulate skill rolls (rsr's suck). Many of the super-skills in Dark Champions use this approach. At 10 pts to add +1 to a single skill/attack/char roll each phase, it ought to be d*mn versatile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorPse Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? To my knowledge you can't apply any sort of level to the Dive For Cover maneuver. I've tried, believe me, I've tried. CorPsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? would it apply to find weakness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? The only thing I know of that they "officially" don't apply to are skills that are only Familiarities (i.e. at <=8) and personally I'd probably apply them even to that. I'd be interested to know how many people agree with me there, though. I'd allow it if the character had a handful of fams and 1 or 2 skill levels. If the character tried to buy 6 overall levels and only fams so he has the option of every skill at 14-, I'd disallow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? To my knowledge you can't apply any sort of level to the Dive For Cover maneuver. I've tried, believe me, I've tried. CorPsey Weird, I was pretty sure you could ... 3 point levels with Dive For Cover, Dodge and Block makes for an annoying target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? would it apply to find weakness? That's a very good question. My gut says no, but I have absolutely no real basis for the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? I recently blew 20 points on a pair of overall skill levels on a character (he had a lot of skills). It's been nice! I can use any skill at 13- or 14- one at a time, my characteristic rolls are great too, plus I get an edge in ranged combat AND hth! It's totally worth it. My question is what Overall can't do. Obviously it can't apply to any Activation Roll powers. Can it apply to Ego CSL's? How about PER rolls? I don't aply them to contacts, I'd be hesitant about Universal skills as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? I've always let'em apply to Find weak, and nothing has ever exploded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? That's a very good question. My gut says no' date=' but I have absolutely no real basis for the statement.[/quote'] I'm inclined to agree with you. Find Weakness is a power, not a skill, and the cost is deliberately kept relatively high for game balance purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgar Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Well, by strictest rules definitions, it only applies to things you can do in overalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? would it apply to find weakness? Surprisingly, yes. again on page 70 it mentions that by name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? To my knowledge you can't apply any sort of level to the Dive For Cover maneuver. I've tried, believe me, I've tried. CorPsey Uh...Why not? Unless theres a FAQ bit somewhere I haven't bothered reading, I don't see why any Level that adds to your Dex roll couldn't be used for the Dive for Cover. That eliminates most CSL's, but Overall levels are still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? I agree...the "logic" is Dive is a Char roll so combat levels do not apply...but Overalls can be used for char rolls...it might be a house rule though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? According to TUS on page 301 an Overall Skill level can be applied to: "any Skill Roll, Characteristic Roll, PER Roll, Contact Roll, Find Weakness Roll, Attack Roll in normal or Mental Combat, Breakout Roll, or any other Roll the GM Approves. Characters can also use Overall Levels as if they were Combat Skill Levels to improve CV, ECV, the damage done by an attack, or for any other use to which a CSL can be put." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed-F Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Yeah, Overalls work on Find Weakness and DFC. They even work on Contact rolls. They work on almost any roll that needs 3 dice, other than damage and knockback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? I am not as sure that they can work for Movement Levels, to do things like reducing turn mode. I am guessing that they can, but I can't find anything definitive one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorPse Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Weird' date=' I was pretty sure you could ... 3 point levels with Dive For Cover, Dodge and Block makes for an annoying target. [/quote'] I stand corrected! pg. 394 5ER---If a character has skill levels that can apply to DEX Rolls, he may use those to improve his DEX Roll when Diving For Cover, provided he has not already allocated them in the Segment when he uses the Maneuver. (Ergo, Overall Levels may apply to Dive For Cover.) However, elsewhere on the same page it says that you cannot apply CSLs to Dive For Cover, because CSLs only effect CV. But, hey, just buy that DEX roll up a little and it'll pay huge dividends later on... cP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? To my knowledge you can't apply any sort of level to the Dive For Cover maneuver. I've tried, believe me, I've tried. CorPsey would it apply to find weakness? Dive For Cover is a DEX Roll, Overall Skill Levels may be appiled to it. Find Weakness is explicitely mentioned on 5ER p70. Yes You Can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Re: What does "Overall" not cover? Overall Skill Levels. A Whole Lotta Love for a mere 10 Points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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