UK using the champions system

[freakboy6117]

One strange feature of British history is that the city of London(also called the square mile) is the financial center and is actually a separate part of the country with a special status and

actually has it's own police force (distinguishable by their red and white checked hats rather than the more common blue and white) . It is[ The smallest police force in the umboth geographical and personnel wise in the country

 

Here's a video expliaining the weirdness that is the City.

 

[Christopher R Taylor]

I did a few Kingdom of Champions 6th edition conversions.  I would like to get back to that eventually but I've been pretty busy with other stuff lately.  The builds are one of the weak points of the book, though, they are really sloppy and hurried and as noted, a lot are incomplete.

[LWhitehead]

Well I'm moving my Lord Protector over to Dark Champions board, also London has Two Police forces, the one that handles the One Square Mile, and The Yard which handle all crime outside of London.

 

 

I need also to find a Peer that hasn't bin used for the last 50 years in the UK one that can be used for a Dukedom,

 

 

 

LW

[assault]

I need also to find a Peer that hasn't bin used for the last 50 years in the UK one that can be used for a Dukedom,

 

There's a Wikipedia article covering that.

[freakboy6117]

Peerages are pretty easy you can either reestablish one of the extinct ones or just make one up pick a town or County and add Duke to the front eg Duke of Milton and Keynes Duke of Bournville etc

[LWhitehead]

What about the London who is the Peer of covers the County of London?,

 

 

 

LW

[Doc Democracy]

Peers don't really have an area any more, there are no ties to geographical locations. In the days of ancient feudal rights there would indeed be someone given areas by the king and the king was able to switch things round.

 

However, if you want a Duke, the Duke of Westminster is probably best. Current Duke of Westminster is the wealthiest landlord in London

[Christopher]

 

 

Right now it looks like the UK will pull out of the EU, and they can do it without ever being forced into bankruptcy by the move.  they never went to the Euro, so its just a matter of detaching themselves from the bureaucracy and rules.

 

The only reason I bring this up is that you could build adventures around that conflict, as peaceful and bureaucratic as it is: radical groups trying to prevent/make it happen, thieves trying to take advantage of the momentary chaos of changing over, etc

 

Yes and no.

 

While they never did accept the Euro, they still were part of the much older European Economic Comunity. Wich means firms with headquarters in London can make easy business within every ECC/European nation. For economic purposes the EU is effectively a single state.

The ECC was completely absorbed by the EU. So leaving the EU kinda of breaks that state existing since 1957 utterly.

 

London generates about 20% of the UK's entire GDP. With the largest "Industry" being finance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London#Economy

 

Disrupting the easy exchange of money when 20% of your GDP comes from exchange of money is not exactly a good idea.

[assault]

If Lord Protector does not refer in some way to Cromwell there may be confusion as he is the one and only Lord Protector in UK history. 

 

Not quite true.

[Doc Democracy]

Not quite true.

 

Well pointed out.  He is possibly the only one folk think of and why the title has been 'retired'.  :-)

[Doc Democracy]

The ECC was completely absorbed by the EU. So leaving the EU kinda of breaks that state existing since 1957 utterly.

 

 

Beg your pardon!?  If it is breaking a state, it is not one that has existed since 1957.  Britain has been part of European Treaty based organisations since 1972 when it passed the European Communities Act.  If it is breaking anything it is the cooperation that has existed since then.

 

The European institutions, based on a number of treaties have changed and adapted several times, each time admitting more and more new members which has changed the balance and nature of the organisation.

 

The EU today (based on the Lisbon Treaty of 2009) is nothing like the European Coal and Steel Community of 1951 (Treaty of Paris), the European Economic Community of 1957 (Treaty of Rome) or even the European Community of 1993 (Maastricht Treaty).  Every time we tinkered, things changed and altered and balances differed in what was allowed and what was required.

 

Personally I don't think the City (our shorthand for the banking community based in London) sees being in Europe as a particular advantage but probably prefers to remain as it abhors uncertainty.  However, doing things simply because the City thinks it is a good or bad thing is the best way to a spiritless existence....IMO of course! :-)

[LWhitehead]

The Cavendish family the Dukes of Devonshire are currently Landlords to Half of London that's just the Tip of there Wealth, that's all I know about 

 

 

LW

[Christopher]

Beg your pardon!?  If it is breaking a state, it is not one that has existed since 1957.  Britain has been part of European Treaty based organisations since 1972 when it passed the European Communities Act.  If it is breaking anything it is the cooperation that has existed since then.

 

The European institutions, based on a number of treaties have changed and adapted several times, each time admitting more and more new members which has changed the balance and nature of the organisation.

 

The EU today (based on the Lisbon Treaty of 2009) is nothing like the European Coal and Steel Community of 1951 (Treaty of Paris), the European Economic Community of 1957 (Treaty of Rome) or even the European Community of 1993 (Maastricht Treaty).  Every time we tinkered, things changed and altered and balances differed in what was allowed and what was required.

 

Personally I don't think the City (our shorthand for the banking community based in London) sees being in Europe as a particular advantage but probably prefers to remain as it abhors uncertainty.  However, doing things simply because the City thinks it is a good or bad thing is the best way to a spiritless existence....IMO of course! :-)

For all intents of commerce and travel, the EU is a single country. Sending goods or money from one end of the EU to the other is not any harder then sending it from one end of the US to the other.

 

That used to be not the case. Sending goods from britain to germany would have to cross at least france on it's way.

Or go the much slower route by sea. Or the much more expensive route by air.

There were easily 3 sets of currency, Import/Export taxation and 3 custom agencies on that way - sending the goods a mere 2 timezones away.

 

Travel between european countries used to be as hard as travel between the US and Russia, depending on local politics and conflicts of the time.

Europe before the EU was kinda like Africa, just more industrialised and having most internal wars behind it.

 

If britain leaves, every good and every piece of money has to pass at least 2 costums borders: The EU and the UK's. 0 to 2 is quite the increase in overhead.

 

If Scotland realy does leave the UK to join the EU on it's, that might give it a unique position: Direct, wide land border with the remaining UK. While also being part of the EU, simplifying all commerce with the EU and rest of the world.

(I know there is the tunnel between Britain and France - even used it once myself - but that one has tighly limited throughput. Not exactly the ideal tool for real global commerce; while the land connection is much easier to use).

Actually that does make a good idea for a Economically minded Scotisch Supevillain.

[TheQuestionMan]

My what a large sporran you have there laddie!

[Christopher]

Regarding Brexit, this just came to me via a RSS news feed:

Brittains love to bet. Sports mostly. Stocks too.

 

But the Brexit itself is not save from it either:

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result

The odds clearly favor Stay as likely result. With leave having 1.5 to 2 times payout - due to being considered that unlikely.

[steriaca]

The English might want to leave the EU, but I doubt niether the House of Lords nor the House of Commons would want to hold a vote about doing so. The monitary concenquences alone would give any head of state nightmares.

[TheQuestionMan]

Asumong there was some way to profit.

[Christopher R Taylor]

In any case, this present conflict makes for interesting fodder for Superheroing.  Which is more on topic, eh?

[Doc Democracy]

Christopher is right, there is a quite decent thread in NGD to discuss politics...

 

However, some of this detail is quite illuminating for anyone running a game in the UK.

[LWhitehead]

Um back to the info on the UK info for my superhero setting,

 

 

 

LW

[TheQuestionMan]

Are you looking for a GM's or Player's guide to Superheroing in the UK?

[Christopher]

The English might want to leave the EU, but I doubt niether the House of Lords nor the House of Commons would want to hold a vote about doing so. The monitary concenquences alone would give any head of state nightmares.

The Brexit was passed, by the way. I did not see that comming.

 

While the government is in no way bound to it, they are likely to follow it. Premier David Cameron already said "he would follow a leave decision, but then quit".

There will still be negotiations ahead. And the majority of the current EU members must accept the exit. But overall it seems likely that is what will happen.

 

Noticeably Scotland did not vote for leave. 38%/62% is a pretty clear pro-EU vote. So the whole independance thing is back on the table.

 

Freedom and Democracy means you get to choose your course. It also means you will have to live with all the consequences.

[Lord Liaden]

Might turn out to be just as well that a new Kingdom of Champions wasn't written recently.

[Doc Democracy]

While the government is in no way bound to it, they are likely to follow it. Premier David Cameron already said "he would follow a leave decision, but then quit".

There will still be negotiations ahead. And the majority of the current EU members must accept the exit. But overall it seems likely that is what will happen.

 

There is no need for any of the current EU Members to agree.  Article 50 says: “Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”  Once it is invoked Membership ends two years later.  Negotiations can shorten or extend the two years but nothing can stop an exit two years later...

 

Interesting piece by a constitutional lawyer here: https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2016/06/24/brexit-legally-and-constitutionally-what-now/

[Christopher R Taylor]

Um back to the info on the UK info for my superhero setting

 

Yeah back on topic, England isn't as English as it was even 10 years ago, so that's the source of some campaign stuff.  Muslims are generally referred to as "Asians" in England (mostly because they bulk come from places like Pakistan), and they are a significant part of the population in some areas - the Mayor of London is a Muslim.  So characters can have more of that background than they once did.  And the favorite food of England is an Indian dish.  Most of the low level street crime is committed by Eastern Europeans (really, many of them are Gypsies, but the term is almost never used by officials or the press).  The various Eastern European mob types have a lot of activity, mostly pickpocketing, small level scams, putting scanners in ATM machines, etc -- at least that's what I understand from news and shows on British crime.