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"Need more Speech, please give" written a chunk of cardboard...I think I'd chip in.

I could sure as hell use some more speech this Christmas.

Yeah, money is speech, right?  ergo...

Yep, I've heard the same, and this is the ECs chance to prove the worth of its existence.  If an elector is presented evidence of outside interference with the election or they feel he is in danger of violating of the Emoluments Clause, then the EC preventing a Trump presidency would be the EC working as designed.

Interestingly enough, one of the original purposes of the EC appears to have been preventing the election of an unqualified populist candidate by the mob. That's why the Constitution doesn't hold the electors to the votes in their respective states. State laws do, but it could be argued that those laws are unconstitutional.
 
I'm hearing reports that some electors are requesting intelligence briefings on the Russian influence issue.

How is it fair for the votes of 38 people to override the votes of over two million people? The actual American people have decided who they wanted to be President and it wasn't Trump, yet he's going in because 38 people said it should be so.

I wouldn't consider that shady at all.  Disgustingly shady is 38 electoral voters telling the more then two million voters who voted for Hillary, allowing her to win the popular vote to f*** off as they put the person most of the country voted against into office.

The markets are crashing already in response to the likelihood of a Trump presidency. I would note that he promised to declare China a currency manipulator(and impose tariffs on Chinese products) on his first day in office. Great. I always wondered what the difference between a recession and a depression was.

Depends. If you're on one side, the other side crossed that line like a year ago. If you're on the other side, not until the ovens are hot.

Just to bring the thread back on topic (sort of), this is why I find Superman more relatable than Spider-Man. Both Superman and Spider-Man understand that "with great power comes great responsibility," but Pete acted, a lot of the time, like being Spider-Man and doing the right thing was a burdensome duty. Superman always accepted responsibility as a given, a sacred trust, and a privilege. He did the right thing for the most believable reason of all, because it was the right thing, same as any cop, fire fighter, or paramedic.

We had a mind controlling rapist as our main antagonist on Jessica Jones. That's dark to me. Not saying dark can't be written well, but I think it fits the term.
 
Frankly, I think the Flash has incredibly clever dialogue , some excellent acting  (Particularly from the guys playing Joe and Wells) and the stories entertain and are told quite well indeed.
 
Suffice to say I think our tastes are drastically different. To each their own

Good point, maybe it'd go something like this:
 
Wells: "Aha! I refused to help you! If you harm my daughter, you've lost your only bargaining chip!"
 
Zoom: "Ssso, you won't help me?"
 
Wells: "You'd be a fool to kill my daughter, she's your only bargaining chip!"
 
Zoom: "Well, thiss reality has something called the Hero Games Forum, and I have learned a thing or two!"
 
<Zoom tortures Jesse a bit.>
 
Zoom: "The torture will stop when you start helping advance my plan!"
 
Wells: "Woe is me! If only I had thought that he might start torturing my daughter, I'd have cooperated sooner and saved her the pain!"
 
Oh, wait. Maybe he did think of torture, and wants to cooperate before it gets to that stage. Given Zoom's penchant for being cruel (you know, by doing stuff like breaking Barry's spine and then running all over town waving him around like a rag doll), it's just possible that Wells has been afraid of what may be happening to his daughter all this time, and having seen her unharmed (relatively), he's desperate to keep her that way.

At any rate, it was a fine episode and one that I enjoyed watching. Overall, the CW comic book tv series are better, IMO, than the Netflix ones. I enjoy both, but the CW ones seem more fun to me.

This is my favourite version of the Trickster. Voice by Mark Hammil of course...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJq2PAI-Fxc

This is my favourite version of the Trickster. Voice by Mark Hammil of course...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJq2PAI-Fxc

Well, actually if everyone picked up Action Comics #1 and found it completely uninteresting there might not be a comics industry at all.

I don't mind there being a really dark, grim, gritty superhero show or two, I just want them to be appropriate (i.e. Daredevil, not Superman) and I want them to be the exception.  Variety and appropriate storytelling is the key, not one monolithic system.

Not what I had in mind no. I meant someone who gets powers and realizes that getting wedgies from bullies isn't a big deal. In the early days, Pete whined incessantly about how hard his life is, instead of realizing how cool it is to have super powers and moving on to bigger and better things.
 
Ultimate Spider-Man is closer to what I had in mind.

Just to bring the thread back on topic (sort of), this is why I find Superman more relatable than Spider-Man. Both Superman and Spider-Man understand that "with great power comes great responsibility," but Pete acted, a lot of the time, like being Spider-Man and doing the right thing was a burdensome duty. Superman always accepted responsibility as a given, a sacred trust, and a privilege. He did the right thing for the most believable reason of all, because it was the right thing, same as any cop, fire fighter, or paramedic.

Just to bring the thread back on topic (sort of), this is why I find Superman more relatable than Spider-Man. Both Superman and Spider-Man understand that "with great power comes great responsibility," but Pete acted, a lot of the time, like being Spider-Man and doing the right thing was a burdensome duty. Superman always accepted responsibility as a given, a sacred trust, and a privilege. He did the right thing for the most believable reason of all, because it was the right thing, same as any cop, fire fighter, or paramedic.

Just to bring the thread back on topic (sort of), this is why I find Superman more relatable than Spider-Man. Both Superman and Spider-Man understand that "with great power comes great responsibility," but Pete acted, a lot of the time, like being Spider-Man and doing the right thing was a burdensome duty. Superman always accepted responsibility as a given, a sacred trust, and a privilege. He did the right thing for the most believable reason of all, because it was the right thing, same as any cop, fire fighter, or paramedic.

Not what I had in mind no. I meant someone who gets powers and realizes that getting wedgies from bullies isn't a big deal. In the early days, Pete whined incessantly about how hard his life is, instead of realizing how cool it is to have super powers and moving on to bigger and better things.
 
Ultimate Spider-Man is closer to what I had in mind.

Why is Champions used as a measuring stick in the first place? You realize that they are fundementally different products. If not, why not complain that Friends and HERO are not compatible. Or how Pixels and HERO are not compatible. You are stating that they aren't compatible (A point which I think I did a good job at refuting) without addressing the greater point of "why even compare the completely distinct products?" That is like:
 
A - "The Great Spaghetti monster in space is real!"
B - "Why do you think that?"
A - "Because I think The Great Spaghetti monster in space is real!!"
B - "Why?"
A - "Because..."
 
At some point you need to actually address the basic question that is being asked: why compare HERO system to The Flash? Would it be equally okay to compare Monsters and Masterminds? How about Gurps? Would DnD Modern be okay? BESM? Fate? Are all of them reasonable? What do we do when BESM can account for something but DnD can't?
 
 
Why do you assume Grodd will never be able to use his MC? He has already shown that he can. The whole set up for that episode was him getting away with his MC. Even against a member of the team.
 
Cisco created a device to stop his MC but can't give an absolute protection against mental blasts, disorientation, and giant ape fists. So Grodd is still a rival. He is just one that doesn't have an "Auto-win" vs the Hero. And to put this in HERO terms for you since you seem to insist on it: Any GM who builds an NPC with an Auto-win and doesn't allow the PCs to negate that is a terrible GM. Any villain that can out power my Character Physically, Mentally, and is prevented from being neutered is a villain that is wholly uninteresting and the GM is terrible for using it. Are you suggesting that we should have terrible GMs in Champions? ^-^;
 
Lets also address the fact that your point is stupid - yes, absolutely stupid. In the first encounter with the Mental Defense device, the Flash gets knocked about and the device ends up malfunctioning. Thus, his ability to strictly resit Grodd is predicated on him not taking a big hit to the face. And Grodd, while not as fast as The Flash is still able to anticipate his movements to a degree and beat the ever living crap out of him - thus making him vulnerable to the most Game-Overy attack available: a full on Mental Domination via Mind Control.
 
Lastly, lets address your complete disregard for the source material: Heroes always find ways to narrowly beat out their opponents. It is not an exception to the rule that a Hero with some level of gadgetry or with helpers with some level of gadgetry manage to build a device to stop an opponent. No, it is not the exception; indeed, it is quite the opposite. How many times has Tony Stark made adjustments to his suit to defeat foes? How many times has Batman just remembered to bring McGruffin X in his utility belt in order to win? How many times has Ant-Man or Mr. Fantastic create some program or device to win a battle or find a baddy? These are not uncommon. These are expected. If Cisco, Kaitlin, Wells, and Barry were not doing this we would all call them idiots for not exploiting their best tools. And for someone who has complained so strongly that these characters suffer from Dumb Streaks to be demanding that they suffer from Genre destroying dumb streaks is peculiar at best.
 
I get it. Flash isn't doing exactly what you would do if you were the Flash. Too bad. Get over it. But making up excuses to be salty at a show is just mind boggling. And if you are really struggling to watch a show, just quit. I made my two (three?) complaint posts about Supergirl in the Supergirl thread and ended it there. There are people in that thread who like the show. They don't need me going in there explaining and complaining about how terrible a show that is every week. And quite frankly, I don't need that. It is just best to accept such as the way of the world and move onto greener pastures that make you happy.
 
Soar.
 
PS: We have also given a rather clear and obvious work around for Grodd's MC power. You can't protect everyone all the time from Grodd. And it only takes one civilian being captured to rendered The Flash incapable of something.

I probably wouldn't, you're right. But, it might have more to do with the moral upbringing (especially from my mother) though, to be honest.   20 years of hindsight, a sense of morality, was probably what kept me from doing something ill-advised of some sort, then anyhow.

Re: Grodd's Mental attack
 
It makes perfect cinematic sense for Grodd to use a mind control attack and when he realize it doesn't work for him to overdo it. This overdoing of his MC is just the special effect of his Mental Blast. Why is that a difficult concept to grasp in a cinematic and champion's sense?
 
Grodd attempts a MC or Telepathy. When he sees he doesn't achieve his desired effects, he simply goes for a Mind Blast. There, it is now mechanically consistent with HERO system.
 
Option two: the Mental Defense is bought perhaps with "only versus Mind Control and Telepathy" and certainly a severe side effect "Mind Control and Telepathy DCs used on this subject are transferred into DCs of Mind Blast" or other such wording to produce a mentally damaging effect upon use of the Mental Defense power. There, it is now mechanically consistent with HERO system.
 
So, we can show that the cinematic experience we enjoyed is consistent with HERO system rules. This is true even though it was not developed with the intent of being consistent with the HERO system rules. It is like getting upset that The Flash isn't consistent with DnD or Vampire: The Masquerade. It has no need to be. It isn't part of those products. And if it just happens to be, that is a weird coincidence. What matters more is that it is internally consistent. For example, I do not care if HERO system is consistent with DnD, I only care that the rules of HERO system are compatible and consistent with the rules of HERO system.
 
Soar.