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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from drunkonduty in Mutants: Why does this idea work?   
    A bit of clarification, that may help (or not).
     
    Stan Lee specifically noted that the principle behind the mutant plight, and the main two leaders, was to draw a parallel between the civil rights struggles; with Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr.  In order to "hide the irony", Professor X would be MLK and Magneto would be Malcom X.
     
    The concept was to show the two ways one can try to overcome the civil right oppression of the majority; either peacefully or militantly.
     
    So, one of the reasons that the mutant plight rang true (at least in America, but to a lessor degree world-wide), is because it was mirroring struggles that were really happening (and still do).
     
    It didn't need to make logical sense in regards to why "altered humans" or aliens were not treated the same way.  The point was that unlike an altered human or alien, mutants were born that way, and thus had no say in their plight - so, somehow people had to just "know", so the analogy would work.  In fact, the fact that altered humans or aliens are accepted and mutants (who were born that way and had no say) are not, makes the whole parable that much more heart churning.
     
    Finally, another aspect not mentioned by others (which the point I've made above does not contradict, but only explains the "why"), is that most mutants express their powers around puberty - and have no training how to use them, so many are angst-ridden teenagers, with powers they can't control - not a very safe or comfortable prospect (for "normals").
     
    My $.02.
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Terminax in Mutants: Why does this idea work?   
    A bit of clarification, that may help (or not).
     
    Stan Lee specifically noted that the principle behind the mutant plight, and the main two leaders, was to draw a parallel between the civil rights struggles; with Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr.  In order to "hide the irony", Professor X would be MLK and Magneto would be Malcom X.
     
    The concept was to show the two ways one can try to overcome the civil right oppression of the majority; either peacefully or militantly.
     
    So, one of the reasons that the mutant plight rang true (at least in America, but to a lessor degree world-wide), is because it was mirroring struggles that were really happening (and still do).
     
    It didn't need to make logical sense in regards to why "altered humans" or aliens were not treated the same way.  The point was that unlike an altered human or alien, mutants were born that way, and thus had no say in their plight - so, somehow people had to just "know", so the analogy would work.  In fact, the fact that altered humans or aliens are accepted and mutants (who were born that way and had no say) are not, makes the whole parable that much more heart churning.
     
    Finally, another aspect not mentioned by others (which the point I've made above does not contradict, but only explains the "why"), is that most mutants express their powers around puberty - and have no training how to use them, so many are angst-ridden teenagers, with powers they can't control - not a very safe or comfortable prospect (for "normals").
     
    My $.02.
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from fdw3773 in Marvel Heroes Write-Ups for 6th Edition   
    I thought this was interesting...
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Lord Liaden in Any Good 4th or 5th edition versions of Silver Surfer or similar character?   
    I for one find your soapbox quite entertaining.
     
     
    As a point of trivia, I remember the Surfer doing that once before, 'way back in 1969 for Silver Surfer issue #6. Norrin bypassed Galactus' barrier around the Earth by traveling to the far future when it was no longer in place, by the means you describe. There he discovered that the Earth, and much of the universe, had been devastated and conquered by an incredibly powerful mutant calling himself the Overlord. Unable to defeat the Overlord, the Surfer traveled back in time to the accident which created him, and prevented it from ever happening. Then he returned to the present. (Now, if he'd only thought to return to the present outside the barrier...)
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Lord Liaden in Any Good 4th or 5th edition versions of Silver Surfer or similar character?   
    O.P. I'm trying to understand your question; are you asking:
    Does anyone have ANY SS builds (regardless of how close it is with the numbers)? Does anyone have A SS build that would fit in a "normal game"? Does someone have a "legit" SS build, based on X point and time SS from Marvel Comics, issues xx to yy? I am thinking of my recent experience making a version of Binary for my wife...  1500 points later, and she's still not as powerful as I would put the "average" Binary...  The reason I'm asking for clarification, goes back to a point I made a LONG time ago - which is basically if you want an "accurate" build for any comic book character, you have to be very specific about exactly when you are talking; comic book characters change dramatically based on who is writing/penciling/inking them, what they need for a plot point in the story, and over longer spans, how society changes.
     
    A simple SS example: at one point after Frankie became Nova and Galactus' new Herold - SS was trying to explain to her how, even though she was finding planets with no intelligent life on them NOW, that would not always be the case - so, she jumps on his board (because SHE COULDN'T FLY FAST ENOUGH) and he flew so fast around the planet as to go hundreds of thousands of years into the future, showing her how intelligent life would evolve on that planet.  By the way, the fact that he did this, seemed localized, as clearly not only did Galactus not "eat" the planet, but nothing else affected it either...  Then, they simply returned to "current" time (I don't think they even showed them do that, I'd have to go dig it out and look)...
     
    Now imagine trying to put points to that one power he seemed to develop on the fly, like it was nothing; and I am unaware of him ever using it in this way again...
     
    Obvious plot point by that author - but, also a legit power from that point in time for that character.
     
    Much like Racheal Summers Phoenix almost absorbing all or most of the lifeforce in the ENTIRE Marvel universe, to kill someone; not once, but TWICE!  The Beyonder AND Galactus - at different points, with different authors...
     
    Again, obvious plot point by those authors - but, also legit power from those TWO points of time for that character...
     
    The same can be said for wild fluctuations for the Hulk as an example in Marvel, but also Superman, Wonderwoman and others in DC as well - again, all based on what the writer and artists needed for that particular plot, or how society had changed over the years (remember the cover of Superman barely lifting a car?  Or how WW evolved over the years?).
     
    Sorry, I just realized I had gotten on my soapbox again, without even noticing it...  <Soapbox mode, disengaged>
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Derek Hiemforth in Help Requested: Compiling Errata for Champions Complete   
    To the best of my knowledge, they're the same.  Certainly, my PDF of the book is the same as my hard copies.  I'm not 100% certain that nothing was ever changed in the PDF or in later printings, but I haven't heard that anything did.
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Grailknight in Motorcyle as Power   
    This reminds me of the smartphone conversation; to me, totally depends on how the player uses it.
     
    If it's like reality, and the device is just something they have, used as a prop basically (quick searches for basic info, getting from point A to point B, etc.) - then to me it really doesn't matter; everyman device.
     
    The second they want an AI more powerful than "Siri" or the bike to do something cool IN the game (Ghost Rider anyone?); then it's a power and should be paid for...
     
    My ought two...
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Duke Bushido in A World Apart [A TMX Campaign]   
    Hahahaha, NOT apparently in THIS thread Bucko!
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Duke Bushido in Motorcyle as Power   
    This reminds me of the smartphone conversation; to me, totally depends on how the player uses it.
     
    If it's like reality, and the device is just something they have, used as a prop basically (quick searches for basic info, getting from point A to point B, etc.) - then to me it really doesn't matter; everyman device.
     
    The second they want an AI more powerful than "Siri" or the bike to do something cool IN the game (Ghost Rider anyone?); then it's a power and should be paid for...
     
    My ought two...
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from assault in Motorcyle as Power   
    This reminds me of the smartphone conversation; to me, totally depends on how the player uses it.
     
    If it's like reality, and the device is just something they have, used as a prop basically (quick searches for basic info, getting from point A to point B, etc.) - then to me it really doesn't matter; everyman device.
     
    The second they want an AI more powerful than "Siri" or the bike to do something cool IN the game (Ghost Rider anyone?); then it's a power and should be paid for...
     
    My ought two...
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    Echo3Niner reacted to drunkonduty in New Champions campaign idea... Earth, 2030 - Whatchya think?   
    What a great session!
     
    Wish I could convince my group to try Champions.
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from drunkonduty in New Champions campaign idea... Earth, 2030 - Whatchya think?   
    Well, first game in the books!  A shortened version of what happened -->
     
    I did an solo intro (kind of like a tutorial) with each character:
    Solar - wife's flying energy projector with a big VPP (based on Binary) - she had to stabilize the Golden Gate bridge after a massive earthquake and rescue many people on it.  She used her strength (80) along with massive force fields (VPP), to stabilize the bridge; then flew around and rescued many of the people injured on the bridge (regenerate other - from her VPP); then flew into the city and used her force fields and STR again to stabilize several buildings that were in danger of falling.  Eventually working with several local supers and supers with FEMA and the Red Cross to help people; until the government started asking questions about who she was (she's a new hero) - at which point she flew up into space to escape them. Capt. Force - buddy's martial brick - called upon to stop a rampaging brick from running amok in the city center (he is on Narrai Prime, as he is a Narrai character).  He flew to the scene, where the berzerking worker caste Narria was rampaging and confronted him, initially trying to stop him by "talking him down"; when that didn't work, he analyzed him to learn his powers, learning he had a damage shield and then started the fight.  Having learned about his damage shield, instead of just going fisticuffs, he used martial throw to Judo the guy, slamming him into the ground over and over, until he was unconscious.  
    Capt. Force was then asked to accompany the ambassador to earth, as both the Narrai and the Lyrissi were going to address the UN General Assembly.
     
    Upon arrival, they see the human woman in space, absorbing huge amount of Z-rad (Wife's character); just as Capt. Force has flown out of his Narrai ship and started a discussion with her, another object catches her attention, and Capt. Force radios his ship who are tracking it on sensors also - an unidentified craft, approaching at a high rate of speed.
     
    Solar flys out to meet the craft, while Capt. Force (who is not near as fast), helps prepare the ship for possibly battle.  Solar scans the ship for life (VPP), finding life in it; she then scans for danger (Danger Sense, again from VPP) and determines there is great danger to earth from the ship/it's inhabitant.  Just as she is about to try to disable it's propulsion, it shoots off at an even higher rate of speed, landing in the mall in DC.
     
    Capt. Force goes down to join Solar, as they watch a bioluminescent, octopus/squid like alien exit the craft - both heroes have universal translator, so they both understand the creature as it repeats over and over, "Weapons, must acquire…  She is coming…"
     
    The heroes eventually confront the creature, after it has knocked several Capital Police out with TK strikes, and then completely destroys a SURGE'd Capital Police officer who jumps to attack it.  Solar eventually encloses the alien in a force barrier sphere (VPP), that it cannot get out of.  After Capt. Force uses his mental control power to get the alien to agro on him; Solar scans the alien and determining it is susceptible/vulnerable to heat/dehydration; she heats the air in the sphere, doing STUN only damage, and knocks the creature unconscious.
     
    They then mind-probe (Solar's VPP again) the creature and learn it is an alien from Europa (moon of Saturn, aliens based on the movie Europa Report).  They learn that the species was enslaved during the last invasion by the Empress, some 7500 years ago, and that the alien's oracles have foreseen her return.  The alien was sent to recover some sort of ancient relic housed at the Smithsonian (one of the elemental bands - of liquid).
     
    The heroes speak to the ambassador of the Narrai, who told them of ancient legends/myths of a time when this sector of the galaxy was invaded, and the Narrai, Lyrissi and Human (Gods of old), joined forces, using some ancient relics and made her invasion so costly, she eventually abandoned it; though she vowed to return.  The ambassador didn't (and still really doesn't) think it was true.
     
    The game ends with the FBI SURGE team taking the alien to a containment facility (after they promised Solar they would not dissect it; sure they won't).  And the heroes ensured the ambassador would at least warn the Earth and Lyrissi delegates - which he did, begrudgingly; basically only telling them only what the alien believed...
     
    In the next game, the heroes plan to travel to Europa (having mostly forgotten the relic), to speak to the aliens and discover what they know...
     
    Everyone had a great time!
     
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    Echo3Niner reacted to archer in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    Reynolds Wrap FTW!
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    Echo3Niner reacted to archer in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    If you meant on my part, it was completely intentional.
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Tjack in New Champions campaign idea... Earth, 2030 - Whatchya think?   
    The only guy I ever knew who could do VPP’s on the fly in his head was an M.I.T. alumni, who for a living designed missile guidance systems for the govt.    He actually was a rocket scientist, and his name was I swear to you on everything I hold holy....Sheldon.  Right now I think he’s in the afterlife correcting God’s math,  R.I.P. buddy.
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Duke Bushido in New Champions campaign idea... Earth, 2030 - Whatchya think?   
    Well, first game in the books!  A shortened version of what happened -->
     
    I did an solo intro (kind of like a tutorial) with each character:
    Solar - wife's flying energy projector with a big VPP (based on Binary) - she had to stabilize the Golden Gate bridge after a massive earthquake and rescue many people on it.  She used her strength (80) along with massive force fields (VPP), to stabilize the bridge; then flew around and rescued many of the people injured on the bridge (regenerate other - from her VPP); then flew into the city and used her force fields and STR again to stabilize several buildings that were in danger of falling.  Eventually working with several local supers and supers with FEMA and the Red Cross to help people; until the government started asking questions about who she was (she's a new hero) - at which point she flew up into space to escape them. Capt. Force - buddy's martial brick - called upon to stop a rampaging brick from running amok in the city center (he is on Narrai Prime, as he is a Narrai character).  He flew to the scene, where the berzerking worker caste Narria was rampaging and confronted him, initially trying to stop him by "talking him down"; when that didn't work, he analyzed him to learn his powers, learning he had a damage shield and then started the fight.  Having learned about his damage shield, instead of just going fisticuffs, he used martial throw to Judo the guy, slamming him into the ground over and over, until he was unconscious.  
    Capt. Force was then asked to accompany the ambassador to earth, as both the Narrai and the Lyrissi were going to address the UN General Assembly.
     
    Upon arrival, they see the human woman in space, absorbing huge amount of Z-rad (Wife's character); just as Capt. Force has flown out of his Narrai ship and started a discussion with her, another object catches her attention, and Capt. Force radios his ship who are tracking it on sensors also - an unidentified craft, approaching at a high rate of speed.
     
    Solar flys out to meet the craft, while Capt. Force (who is not near as fast), helps prepare the ship for possibly battle.  Solar scans the ship for life (VPP), finding life in it; she then scans for danger (Danger Sense, again from VPP) and determines there is great danger to earth from the ship/it's inhabitant.  Just as she is about to try to disable it's propulsion, it shoots off at an even higher rate of speed, landing in the mall in DC.
     
    Capt. Force goes down to join Solar, as they watch a bioluminescent, octopus/squid like alien exit the craft - both heroes have universal translator, so they both understand the creature as it repeats over and over, "Weapons, must acquire…  She is coming…"
     
    The heroes eventually confront the creature, after it has knocked several Capital Police out with TK strikes, and then completely destroys a SURGE'd Capital Police officer who jumps to attack it.  Solar eventually encloses the alien in a force barrier sphere (VPP), that it cannot get out of.  After Capt. Force uses his mental control power to get the alien to agro on him; Solar scans the alien and determining it is susceptible/vulnerable to heat/dehydration; she heats the air in the sphere, doing STUN only damage, and knocks the creature unconscious.
     
    They then mind-probe (Solar's VPP again) the creature and learn it is an alien from Europa (moon of Saturn, aliens based on the movie Europa Report).  They learn that the species was enslaved during the last invasion by the Empress, some 7500 years ago, and that the alien's oracles have foreseen her return.  The alien was sent to recover some sort of ancient relic housed at the Smithsonian (one of the elemental bands - of liquid).
     
    The heroes speak to the ambassador of the Narrai, who told them of ancient legends/myths of a time when this sector of the galaxy was invaded, and the Narrai, Lyrissi and Human (Gods of old), joined forces, using some ancient relics and made her invasion so costly, she eventually abandoned it; though she vowed to return.  The ambassador didn't (and still really doesn't) think it was true.
     
    The game ends with the FBI SURGE team taking the alien to a containment facility (after they promised Solar they would not dissect it; sure they won't).  And the heroes ensured the ambassador would at least warn the Earth and Lyrissi delegates - which he did, begrudgingly; basically only telling them only what the alien believed...
     
    In the next game, the heroes plan to travel to Europa (having mostly forgotten the relic), to speak to the aliens and discover what they know...
     
    Everyone had a great time!
     
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Tjack in New Champions campaign idea... Earth, 2030 - Whatchya think?   
    Well, first game in the books!  A shortened version of what happened -->
     
    I did an solo intro (kind of like a tutorial) with each character:
    Solar - wife's flying energy projector with a big VPP (based on Binary) - she had to stabilize the Golden Gate bridge after a massive earthquake and rescue many people on it.  She used her strength (80) along with massive force fields (VPP), to stabilize the bridge; then flew around and rescued many of the people injured on the bridge (regenerate other - from her VPP); then flew into the city and used her force fields and STR again to stabilize several buildings that were in danger of falling.  Eventually working with several local supers and supers with FEMA and the Red Cross to help people; until the government started asking questions about who she was (she's a new hero) - at which point she flew up into space to escape them. Capt. Force - buddy's martial brick - called upon to stop a rampaging brick from running amok in the city center (he is on Narrai Prime, as he is a Narrai character).  He flew to the scene, where the berzerking worker caste Narria was rampaging and confronted him, initially trying to stop him by "talking him down"; when that didn't work, he analyzed him to learn his powers, learning he had a damage shield and then started the fight.  Having learned about his damage shield, instead of just going fisticuffs, he used martial throw to Judo the guy, slamming him into the ground over and over, until he was unconscious.  
    Capt. Force was then asked to accompany the ambassador to earth, as both the Narrai and the Lyrissi were going to address the UN General Assembly.
     
    Upon arrival, they see the human woman in space, absorbing huge amount of Z-rad (Wife's character); just as Capt. Force has flown out of his Narrai ship and started a discussion with her, another object catches her attention, and Capt. Force radios his ship who are tracking it on sensors also - an unidentified craft, approaching at a high rate of speed.
     
    Solar flys out to meet the craft, while Capt. Force (who is not near as fast), helps prepare the ship for possibly battle.  Solar scans the ship for life (VPP), finding life in it; she then scans for danger (Danger Sense, again from VPP) and determines there is great danger to earth from the ship/it's inhabitant.  Just as she is about to try to disable it's propulsion, it shoots off at an even higher rate of speed, landing in the mall in DC.
     
    Capt. Force goes down to join Solar, as they watch a bioluminescent, octopus/squid like alien exit the craft - both heroes have universal translator, so they both understand the creature as it repeats over and over, "Weapons, must acquire…  She is coming…"
     
    The heroes eventually confront the creature, after it has knocked several Capital Police out with TK strikes, and then completely destroys a SURGE'd Capital Police officer who jumps to attack it.  Solar eventually encloses the alien in a force barrier sphere (VPP), that it cannot get out of.  After Capt. Force uses his mental control power to get the alien to agro on him; Solar scans the alien and determining it is susceptible/vulnerable to heat/dehydration; she heats the air in the sphere, doing STUN only damage, and knocks the creature unconscious.
     
    They then mind-probe (Solar's VPP again) the creature and learn it is an alien from Europa (moon of Saturn, aliens based on the movie Europa Report).  They learn that the species was enslaved during the last invasion by the Empress, some 7500 years ago, and that the alien's oracles have foreseen her return.  The alien was sent to recover some sort of ancient relic housed at the Smithsonian (one of the elemental bands - of liquid).
     
    The heroes speak to the ambassador of the Narrai, who told them of ancient legends/myths of a time when this sector of the galaxy was invaded, and the Narrai, Lyrissi and Human (Gods of old), joined forces, using some ancient relics and made her invasion so costly, she eventually abandoned it; though she vowed to return.  The ambassador didn't (and still really doesn't) think it was true.
     
    The game ends with the FBI SURGE team taking the alien to a containment facility (after they promised Solar they would not dissect it; sure they won't).  And the heroes ensured the ambassador would at least warn the Earth and Lyrissi delegates - which he did, begrudgingly; basically only telling them only what the alien believed...
     
    In the next game, the heroes plan to travel to Europa (having mostly forgotten the relic), to speak to the aliens and discover what they know...
     
    Everyone had a great time!
     
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    Echo3Niner reacted to archer in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    I'm nothing if not original....
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    Echo3Niner got a reaction from Amorkca in My son's 1st encounter   
    Low though I walk through the valley of death,
    But I shall fear no evil,
    For Danger Scarf is with me!
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Quackhell in Create a Hero Theme Team!   
    Continuing with the Legion of Progress before we move to the GGM's.
     
    Avant Guardian
     
    Nestor Delgado is an artist who through experimentation with a wide variety of techniques discovered his bizarre creations have the power to greatly change those who view and experience them. He first started using his art as therapy for people with psychological issues. The results were extraordinary in helping these individuals. Next he got involved in criminal rehabilitation and again had unprecedented positive results. He has continued to expand his reach and help people with his wholly unique works of art. He has attempted to pass on his techniques and skills, but there seems to be something special about him...hidden mutant ability, magic, spiritual influence? No one can say, but he is determined to continue to aid humanity's growth and transcendence with his abilities.
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    Echo3Niner reacted to archer in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    Judges at a beauty pageant.
     
    Participants in a spaceship race.
     
    Mysterious time travel event with no apparent motive.
     
    Heist at a space museum where the security guard steals a flight ring and a flying security robot then tries to flee into the past.
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Lord Liaden in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned a high-powered hero classic, saving people from natural disasters: earthquake, wildfire, hurricane, etc. Of course the cause of the disaster doesn't necessarily have to be natural...
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Ockham's Spoon in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    Return exotic alien creature to its owner (probably the child of an important political or military figure) or to the zoo.  But the creature is hard to catch as it can turn invisible, desolid, and/or it teleports.  And as they chase it around, it causes a number of accidents where the heroes would be compelled to save innocent people.  You might watch the Harry Potter spin-off movie Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them for inspiration.
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Tjack in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    Maybe try running the space/cosmic version of “You’re all in a tavern”.  A sleazy space station bar, (think Quark’s or that place on Tatooine) waiting around for somebody to make contact or for a ship to arrive, or the players ship to be repaired or cleared through customs.  Start with the D&D tropes and build from there. If it’s just a filler episode you don’t need to pour to much deep thought into it. By their very nature fillers are supposed to be a palette cleanser between serious adventures. Just have fun, that goes for you as well as the players.
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    Echo3Niner reacted to Grailknight in "Normal games" for cosmic-level heroes   
    Save the Planet from the asteroid.
     
    Stop the pirates interrupting the trade routes.
     
    Capture the escapee(s) from the intergalactic super-max.
     
    Evade and stop the bounty hunters after you.
     
    Guard the diplomatic conference from a terrorist.
     
    It's just a matter of scale. You can use old Silver Surfer, Green Lantern or LSH plots as best fits your campaign tone.
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