Lord Liaden Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Demonsong, I can see the point you're making, and the issue could certainly be as big (or as small) of an issue as an individual GM wanted to make it. To my mind, though, a lot of those kinds of issues are part of the normal restrictions on a hand-held OAF; if you're Grabbed, Entangled etc. (the most common in-game events of this type), you can't use that Focus whether it's one-handed or two-handed. I don't know if it's officially defined this way, but for me a two-handed focus is one that you always have to have two hands free to be ready to use at a moment's notice, like carrying it into a combat situation. There are ways around the particular circumstances you describe if a GM is willing to allow a player a bit of creativity. Carrying an unconscious person? They'll stay draped across your shoulder for a second while you take your shot, especially if you raise both arms to do it. Duffle bag? I often stick my arm through the handles of mine and sling it over my shoulder when I need my hands free. Hanging from a ladder? Hook your knees over one of the rungs. Impractical? To some extent, sure. But this is adventure fantasy we're talking about, after all. Mind you, I could certainly see the GM assessing penalties to CV and other rolls in these circumstances, but I wouldn't consider them frequent or severe enough to warrant an actual Limitation - again, unless a GM prefers it that way. YMMV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonsong Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Let’s look at one other way. Two characters completely the same, down to the last point. One is “The Archer†(cool music sounds in the background), the other is The Swordsman ( more cool music). The only difference between them is The Archers Multi-Power focus is a magical bow and arrows and The Swordsman’s Multi-Power focus is a Magical Sword that has the same effect, charges, points cost……everything. Now the Archer get penalized once every few games because he is being a hero and doing heroic thing but he needs two hands or he takes penalties of using a bow. This is some thing that the Swordsman never has to worry about, because his magical broadsword only ever needs one hand. All this because of a special effect. If you ask me it is enough that it would certainly cause me to change my character concept to the swordsman. Simi-random penalties because of the special effect I choose for flavor, even if it only happens once in a great while is still just not fair IMO. But then I guess it’s all about play style and I am big in to special effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 As Steve Long puts it, it's a Role Playing Game, not a tax return. You play toward your conception, not to squeeze out every last drop of benefit you can. By your logic, nobody will ever play someone who fires guns, with a gun multipower with different bullets. That's because he could play someone with a weapon that fires different types of force bolts. In game terms, both multipowers are exactly the same, but the gunner's can be deflected by 15 pts of Missile Deflection, while the Force Bolter requires 20 pts. Sometimes you just have to accept that some conceptions come with inherent -0 limitations built in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonsong Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Well I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I see a much larger difference here than there is in your bullet to force bolt comparison. But no worries. This is the land of the free. We can disagree and it’s not the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Okay so far At the dawn of time: Circle and M.E.T.E.: Kor Hunter Strike Force: Red Archer To Serve and Protect: Huntsman Big Blue Book Era Classic Enemies/Enemies III: Rainbow Archer Zodiac Conspiracy: Sagittarius Kingdom of Champions: Yeoman Olymians: Atalanta, Artemis and Apollo European Enemies: Hood, Huntsman Champions of the North: Minstrel Dark Champions: Crossbow Allies: Crossbow Golden Age Champions: Fletcher Murderer's Row: Origami Watchers of the Dragon: Yoshi New Millenium (Fuzion): Bay City: Crimson the Archer DOJ CKC: Warpath & Guan Di Digital Hero #17: Scarlet Archer Okay I am confident about the DOJ characters (unless some others appeared in DHero), and New Millenium, can some one check San Angelous for me? (I have checked enemies already). Also any books not listed here, such as High tech enemies The ones in bold I have drect access to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Okay, time to seperate the archers into the main two catagories "Simple Arrows" and Trick Arrows Simple Arrows Olymians: Atalanta Olymians: Artemis Olymians: Apollo European Enemies: Huntsman Champions of the North: Minstrel Dark Champions: Crossbow Watchers of the Dragon: Yoshi Trick Ammo Classic Enemies/Enemies III: Rainbow Archer Kingdom of Champions: Yeoman European Enemies: Hood Allies: Crossbow Golden Age Champions: Fletcher Bay City: Crimson the Archer CKC: Warpath CKC: Guan Di Digital Hero #17: Scarlet Archer Unknown: Circle and M.E.T.E.: Kor Hunter Strike Force: Red Archer To Serve and Protect: Huntsman Zodiac Conspiracy: Sagittarius Murderer's Row: Origami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Kor Hunter, Red Archer, Huntsman, and Sagittarius would all fall into the "trick ammo" category, although Kor and Red's trick arrows were actually enchantments that they focussed through their bows (Red Archer was actually the basis for the Kor Hunter character). Origami uses simple arrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Looking over the protectors thread it seems that we have another trick archer for the list To Serve & to Protect: Huntsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Can people with the following books check them for archers, sound off if they don't have any: 402 Mind Games 407 Invasion: Target Earth 408: Day of the Destroyer 409: Invasions from below 412: Demons Rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Originally posted by JmOz Looking over the protectors thread it seems that we have another trick archer for the list To Serve & to Protect: Huntsman He was mentioned earlier, but must have been overlooked. Be sure to distinguish him from the Huntsman of the Black Forest from EE. Originally posted by JmOz Can people with the following books check them for archers, sound off if they don't have any: 402 Mind Games 407 Invasion: Target Earth 408: Day of the Destroyer 409: Invasions from below 412: Demons Rule No archers in any of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Watts Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Not sure why you're collecting these, Jm, but I feel I should point out that the Champs Universe does have a modern archer as well (Straight Arrow) who will probably get a writeup somewhere, and two Scarlet Archers (the one in DH #17 is from the Silver Age, and he has a GA counterpart with the same name but less shtick (considerably fewer trick arrows.) dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 I did remember one more: Savior, from the Dark Champions mini-campaign sourcebook Shadows of the City. IMO he's more of a Champions-level character though - a mystic and another "trick arrow" user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Originally posted by Darren Watts Not sure why you're collecting these, Jm, but I feel I should point out that the Champs Universe does have a modern archer as well (Straight Arrow) who will probably get a writeup somewhere, and two Scarlet Archers (the one in DH #17 is from the Silver Age, and he has a GA counterpart with the same name but less shtick (considerably fewer trick arrows.) dw It was something I got curious on when I was designing my new (PLAYER) Character Bowman, so I decided to track down as many as I could, and if posible there stats, to kind of see what has been done before. It has sense become a little pet project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOSpencer Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 No archers in San Angelo. John Spencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Next five books to double check 415 Road Kill 418 Champions Presents 421 Champions Universe (4th) 422 High Tech Enemies 424 Champions Presents #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterdeath Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Originally posted by JmOz Next five books to double check 415 Road Kill 418 Champions Presents 421 Champions Universe (4th) 422 High Tech Enemies 424 Champions Presents #2 I don't own Road Kill. The others do not have Archer write ups. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 No archers in Road Kill. There is a guitarist wielding an axe (in both senses of the word). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 LL, You know I think I am thankful I DON't own Road Kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Next Six: 425 Viper 429 Creatures of the Night 430 Justice not Law 431 Underworld Enemies 433 Murderer's Row 434 Corperations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: Calling all Archers By the very ghosts of threads I do summon forth this thread, a troll I sacrifice to allow the rising, I call on the darkest necromancy of the internet to resurect this thread 8-) Ok, this project never got done, and I am tempted to start it up again. This time I want to include characters from the comics as well, furthermore history. My ultimate goal is to have (for my private use) two documants, the Ultimate Archer, and and Equipment guide called the Ultimate Quiver so lets see some archers DC Comics Green Arrow Arsenal Speedy Huntress Arrowette Spider? (I think is his name, he is used as a contnincy implant for GA) Marvel Comics Hawkeye Hawkingbird (Aka Hawkeye II) Image Comics/Wildstorm Shaft Will make a compound list later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: Calling all Archers DC Comics Green Arrow Arsenal Speedy Huntress Arrowette Spider? (I think is his name, he is used as a contnincy implant for GA) There were a bunch of other archers who popped up in various GA stories over the years. All very obscure. There's also a villainous one whose name eludes me, plus Usil, an Italian fascist who popped up in the Young All Stars back in the 80s. Plus some crossbow folks. EDIT: How could I forget? White Feather, from the Inferior Five! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug McCrae Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: Calling all Archers Golden Age archers: The Arrow (the second costumed superhero, after Superman) Golden Arrow Scarlet Arrow Marksman Young Robin Hood Alias The Spider Green Arrow Diana the Huntress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: Calling all Archers Ah! I've found the "villainous archer" I had forgotten. His name is Merlyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: Calling all Archers Marvel: Hawkeye Hawkingbird? - okay Trickshot Golden Archer/Black Archer (Squadron Supreme) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: Calling all Archers Hmmm, I guess I have to post something here, don't I? Predators lists an archer in the ranks of the Arsenal. I think his name is Longbow, but I'm not 100% sure (I've lent that sourcebook to one of my friends). No stats are listed for him, but he is a confirmed name in the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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