Desintegrator Weapons

[shadowcat1313]

Has anybody tried building Desingetrators for Star Hero?

[Curufea]

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Yep-

3D6 RKA - special effect: Disintegration.

[Vanguard]

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3D6 RKA, AVLD (Force Field) - SFX: Disintegration

[Duke Bushido]

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Yep.

 

Zero Body (or -(abs.Body) for living things is pretty much dead or destroyed. Might as well call it 'disintegrated' too. No reason not to. Unless you want to call it 'folded in half seventy five times' or any other SFX you prefer

[Erkenfresh]

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Drain BODY 20d6. Should take most people but the very toughest to -BODY in a single shot. Zappppp!

[Old Man]

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Cheaper to do that with a Suppress...

 

Actually here's the thing--if you're shooting for comic-book disintegration, like Star Trek TOS phasers, what you have is basically an all-or-nothing attack, right? We never see any person or object get partially disintegrated. So what's the limitation on an all-or-nothing attack like this?

[Vondy]

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They're big, they're nasty, they're a neato sci-fi trope - they aren't fun from a role playing perspective.

[Lord Liaden]

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For effects like this, where you want immediate and total lethality, I've long used an "Instant Kill" House Rule, based on a target taking an amount of BODY damage after Defenses equal to their starting BODY from a single attack (including Coordinated attacks).

 

If you want serious lethality, that circumstance leads to immediate death - or disintegration in this case. Weapons that are supposed to be "one-shot/one-kill" become feasible on lower Active Points. For more "cinematic" games where you want heroes to have a chance to escape this fate, I recommend a CON roll after taking that amount of BODY damage. If the roll is failed, the character dies due to shock. Mere normal bystanders with CON of 8-10 have an 11- chance of dying immediately, so if you prefer lots of NPC casualties you can just assume that they failed their rolls.

[Lord Liaden]

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Cheaper to do that with a Suppress...

 

Actually here's the thing--if you're shooting for comic-book disintegration, like Star Trek TOS phasers, what you have is basically an all-or-nothing attack, right? We never see any person or object get partially disintegrated. So what's the limitation on an all-or-nothing attack like this?

 

All-or-nothing is a -1/2 Limitation on Transform. Since Transform is explicitly based on Killing Attacks, I'd consider it fair to apply that to a damaging Power with that Restriction.

 

The SFX of the Disintegration failing, is that it in fact missed the target, no matter what the Attack Roll said.

[Lord Liaden]

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They're big' date=' they're nasty, they're a neato sci-fi trope - they aren't fun from a role playing perspective.[/quote']

 

I'm inclined to agree, in general. OTOH restrictions like what Old Man proposes would make them a little more playable.

[Old Man]

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They're big' date=' they're nasty, they're a neato sci-fi trope - they aren't fun from a role playing perspective.[/quote']

 

Why, were you planning on getting hit?

[Vondy]

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Why' date=' were you planning on getting hit?[/quote']

 

No.

 

In the 1st Ed. Star Trek RPG there was a completely broken stat that seemed to be the default for anything critical (life or death, success of failure, promotion, ship assignment, etc): luck. And the ship's luck roll defaulted to that of the Captain. All aliens had some negative to their stat roll (D100), but humans didn't. Vulcan's actually divided their roll by 2 - it sucked to be Vulcan (even though you were burly compared to everyone else). I had a character with a 99% luck roll. He became Captain faster than you can say "screw the prime directive..."

[Dr. Anomaly]

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No.

 

In the 1st Ed. Star Trek RPG there was a completely broken stat that seemed to be the default for anything critical (life or death, success of failure, promotion, ship assignment, etc): luck. And the ship's luck roll defaulted to that of the Captain. All aliens had some negative to their stat roll (D100), but humans didn't. Vulcan's actually divided their roll by 2 - it sucked to be Vulcan (even though you were burly compared to everyone else). I had a character with a 99% luck roll. He became Captain faster than you can say "screw the prime directive..."

[snort] Yeah. And I had the bad luck to roll a 40% Luck score when creating my human character...

[Vanguard]

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Cheaper to do that with a Suppress...

 

 

Cheaper yes but I think that with a Supress, once you stop Supressing the Body . . they're now alive again (weird I know).

 

At least I seem to recall something said to this effect either in the FAQ or in FrED revised . . don't have a book handy at the momeny.

[Lord Liaden]

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You are correct, Vanguard. From the FAQ:

 

A character who has positive BODY, and is Suppressed into negative BODY, does not lose more BODY in Post-Segment 12. If reduced to negative his BODY solely due to Suppress, a character “dies” for all intents and purposes, but comes back to life when the Suppress ceases to apply.

[Susano]

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So... if you roll and 18, does your pistol disintegrate instead?

 

'Cause when it disintegrates, it disintegrates!

[Dr. Anomaly]

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So... if you roll and 18, does your pistol disintegrate instead?

 

'Cause when it disintegrates, it disintegrates!

That's what you get when you forget to keep it properly buffed and polished with illudium phosdex.

[Lord Liaden]

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That's what you get when you forget to keep it properly buffed and polished with illudium phosdex.

 

Illudium Q36. Accept no substitutes!

[Susano]

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That's what you get when you forget to keep it properly buffed and polished with illudium phosdex.

 

It is the shaving cream atom, after all.

[Dr. Anomaly]

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I just never cared for the competing brand that used the rack-n-pinion molecule... polishing a yo-yo is NOT the same as polishing a disintegrator pistol, regardless of what the ad campaigns would have you believe...

[Old Man]

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Cheaper yes but I think that with a Supress, once you stop Supressing the Body . . they're now alive again (weird I know).

 

At least I seem to recall something said to this effect either in the FAQ or in FrED revised . . don't have a book handy at the momeny.

 

That why you make it 0 END, Persistant.

[Old Man]

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That's why you stick them with a sword while they're dead. Then, when they become alive again, they die.

[Thia Halmades]

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Yes, I have a PC with a Disintegration (dis-integrate, dagnabbit, not 'des') anyway, spelling nitpicks aside.

 

Cap is 90 Active for magick, I declared that it would be a Major Transform, All or Nothing (-1/2), and since the saving throw in d20 is a Fort Save, the onus simply goes back on the player to roll high on the dice. Average peasant? 16 BODY (8, then another 8 to Transform). He has a pool of six transform dice, averaging 3.5 x 6 = 21 points, and the defense is, of course, Power Defense which almost no one has just walking around. A few points of Power Defense will likely keep this version from tac-nuking you.

 

Power: Disintegration

Requires END: No (Charges)

Effect: All or Nothing attack, 6d6 Transform

Return Condition: True Ressurection, Wish, Miracle or similarly absurdly high magical effect.

[Thia Halmades]

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Suppress Body, Uncontrolled, usable on yourself only.

 

THAT'S how you build Feign Death in this system. Huh.

[Threnody]

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Suppress Body, Uncontrolled, usable on yourself only.

 

THAT'S how you build Feign Death in this system. Huh.

 

Or you could just go off an' buy the "Simulate Death" Talent.

 

If'n you think it's too weak (cause of allowing Paramedic rolls and all that), I'd say it's OK if'n you buy it two or three (or more, maybe) times, so's you can add up all the negatives and such.