Andrew_A

I'm not a fan of what Miller and the Miller Lites have done to him, but I like DCAU Bats. (Even though DCAU Bats is a bit infected by Miller too.)

I don't know.  The Lex Luthor in Young Justice was pretty good.

Donna Brazile just threw Hillary under a bus (metaphorically speaking).
 
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
 
Reaction (NSFW, swearing):
 
 

One word.
 
"Martha"

What?  Superman couldn't have just said "Luthor's kidnapped my Mom."

And all of these things are failings of this  piss-poor version of the Batman character, not an affirmation of Luthor's genius and not an indication of Superman provoking Batman.
 
Snyder's Batman has fallen into despair,  and I get that he is exhausted from years of fighting a crusade that he feels himself losing but that will never excuse the murderous tendencies he shows in this movie.  Batman has endured the seeming deaths of Jason and Stephanie and the maiming of Barbara without going on a murder spree. Miller's Batman retired rather than become a killer in a world ruled by villains. Even in his come back, in his 50's, he never resorted to killing as an option in Dark Knight 1 or 2. He's not a killer in the Injustice Universe or the Justice Lords version either.
 
It all comes down to failure of the DC writers to understand Batman. The character the comics portray is a combination of James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Bruce Lee and Bond's tech guy Q. Bale had Bond and  Lee but punted the brainy stuff. Affleck also has Bond and Lee without Holmes or Q. Bale's Batman is led by the nose in all 3 movies and the only thing he personally outwits is Scarecrow's fear toxin. Affleck is shown with some Holmes in him in Suicide Squad but his lack in BvS  is telling  throughout and the only real way the plot advances.
 
I also despise the trope that has the hero or the authorities go bad and their first target is another hero because "they're a bigger possible threat than the villains". It always ends in hard feelings between heroes after the error is realized and our confused hero being nicer to the villains after seeing the error of his ways. Heroes go after threats, they shouldn't attack those who aren't but could be. Otherwise you'd have to take out everyone with access to nukes and shut down all the CDC's of the world for fear on a rogue action by someone who's been law-abiding for years.

So why would Batman figure he has to kill Superman for something that he knows Supes didn't do?
 
At least it wasn't another goofy real estate scam.

Ok, he made a contingency plan, why use it when anyone with Batman's supposed intelligence would know  Superman didn't cause the explosion. He was filmed flying in empty handed by every news organization in the world. Also Superman wouldn't need a bomb to kill a roomful of normal people and an explosion fits none of his powers profile. Nice deductive skills there Batman.
 
Hmm, Batman doesn't know who Superman is at Lex's party and Superman"s ultimatum came after he saw Batman cruise through a major metropolitan area at high speeds, firing machine guns and missiles so he could hijack a truck. Upon being stopped Batman does not explain but makes threats that anyone but Superman(and he should have) would have taken as a last straw and hauled his but off to jail for(Batman is actually wanted).
 
Yet Waller did not activate the Suicide Squad  until there was an actual threat to respond to, there were no preventive assassinations.
 
Batman ignoring the world outside Gotham was an acceptable thing until ya know that alien invasion thing 18 months before. I kinda think his priorities should have changed somewhat. And not only Luthor had more info on metas than Batman, Waller did also.
 
Safer for who? Not for the citizens of the city he fired off missiles and machine gun fire in. Maybe you mean the thugs he was shooting at or whose car he dragged at high speed and crashed? Do you seriously think planting a tracer and then following it wasn't a better option. 
 
Batman never loses control even in deconstructionist works like Miller's Dark Night or the Injustice games. 
 
The senator could get  Lex access but not at the level he needed to take bio-samples , remove artifacts(the key) or come and go unsupervised and unobserved.

I don't have a problem with Luthor's plan so much as I have a problem with this version of Batman.
 
Batman, the ultimate Code vs Killing character, deciding to kill someone who has debuted stopping an alien invasion and then spent the next 18 months flying around the world doing good deeds because "he could go bad." Then acting on the decision without having even met the man.  Even Waller would meet him and have "We're watching you conversation" before trying to sanction him.
 
Batman, the most prepared , best researcher in the history of comics, having no knowledge of any other meta-human's existence and having to steal the information from Luthor, a man who has not discovered any hero's Secret ID in 60 plus years on comics.
 
Batman, the ultimate stealth hero, who instead of tailing the Kryptonite to the warehouse and  sneaking in to steal it, initiates a running gun battle through a major city using 50-cal machine guns and missiles.
 
Batman, the world's greatest detective, not having a clue that someone was manipulating him or figuring out Luthor's plan faster than Lois did.
 
So yeah given this incompetent Batman, Luthor's plan has a chance to succeed but it still shouldn't. No way does one senator get Luthor access to the  Kryptonian ship without jumping through a lot of hoops and a background check from Hell which would probably show him as a risk. And even if he got access, he would never be allowed in without an escort or left unsupervised at any time. This is an actual alien spaceship that crashed to Earth as part of an invasion in a major metropolitan area. the security here would be so black,  light would warp near it.

IMHO if you can't describe your master plan within one paragraph, it's unnecessarily convoluted. If it requires several key parties to be gullible or stupid, it's inherently flawed. And as an aside, if you have to persuade people to believe in and cooperate with you, acting psychotic won't help.

Kryptonians who are centuries ahead of us only use Fingerprints to activate their technology.
 
Why couldn't Superman tell Batman Luthor kidnapped his Mom?

This movie sucked because it didn't have Otis in it.

Does it take place in the Star Trek universe? Does it actually use any of Paramount's Star Trek trademarks? Does it plagiarize (by the strict legal standard) any Star Trek script?
 
I don't think Paramount would have a legal leg to stand on. If they did, they would have jumped all over Dreamworks for Galaxy Quest back in 1999.

If Affleck is too disillusioned (or trapped in the bottom of a booze bottle) to continue in the role, just back a dump truck of money up to Christian Bale's door and pretend that it's been him all along.

this is destroy your GEEK cred, not destroy your GREEK cred!

Sorry, I don't know if anyone posted this (I'm too lazy to go through 10 pages of posts), but has anyone see this? I've been reading the old "Monster Society of Evil" story line on here. This site would make a good reference point if you wanted to make period appropriate stories.
 
Sadly they don't have any of the old Timely/Atlas (Golden Age Marvel) or National Periodicals (Golden Age DC) comics. They do have the old Marvel Family comics (Fawcett), Archie/MLJ, and Quality.

Sorry, I don't know if anyone posted this (I'm too lazy to go through 10 pages of posts), but has anyone see this? I've been reading the old "Monster Society of Evil" story line on here. This site would make a good reference point if you wanted to make period appropriate stories.
 
Sadly they don't have any of the old Timely/Atlas (Golden Age Marvel) or National Periodicals (Golden Age DC) comics. They do have the old Marvel Family comics (Fawcett), Archie/MLJ, and Quality.

The premise of drafting superpowered incarcerated villains has carried the comic series in many incarnations.
 
"I do not like the premise" is not the same as "the premise is deeply flawed and completely muddled to the point of unworkability"
 
While I assume the spread is just pocket change you'd pull out of your couch, for most of us the spread between $745M gross and $175 production costs is a pretty decent payoff, I think.
 
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dc2016.htm
 
I suppose only $575 million of profits doesn't compare all that well to GotG, with its $773 million box office - $170 million budget = $603 million profits, but I'd probably be able to eke out a meagre existence off of either of those, assuming careful budgeting.
 
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2014a.htm

In execution, definitely - many, many 80s shows are flat out unwatchable, cartoon or not.  
 
What sticks with the nostalgic fans was the *concept* - and the concept ("Two warring factions of giant robots crash on earth and resume their battle - taking on the forms of earth vehicles to blend in") is still solid.  
 
There are still days where I wish fabulous powers would be revealed to me when I hold aloft my magic sword and say "By the power of Greyskull".

Yeah it preceded Disney, it was a shift in editorial staff basically cleaning house of all the people who got them to the point they were at and replacing them with "hot young stars" who had a totally different vision of comics and storytelling.  This isn't a "bean counter" thing; if they paid attention to the ones who did the accounting, they would be more focused on what sells rather than what fits their grand editorial vision.

Marvel was acting that way long before they were acquired by Disney.

Buffy season 6? The entire run of Angel?

Just a radical thought here: Could we judge the movie after it comes out? It probably will suck (it was made way too late for Warner's to accurately judge the backlash against BvS), but we won't know for sure until the movie's released. Right now it exists in a state of quantum uncertainty.
 
(Apologies to all the physicists on the board. High school physics bored the sh** out of me.)
 
Also, why are people picking on Gal Gadot because of her figure? Has anyone gone after Hugh Jackman for not being short or Christopher Reeve for not looking like a '60s Curt Swan drawing?

Wow. When you destroy your geek cred, you really destroy your geek cred. I'm impressed.

I have never seen the original Die Hard. I saw and barely remember the second and fourth movies.
I've never understood the hype surrounding the Fifth Element. There are better movies people.
 
Here are the rest:
I hate Marvel. Passionately. I won't touch a Marvel Comic unless my life depends on it (and maybe not even then). I like the movies. The movies are f--king brilliant (with two exceptions). Just keep the comics away from me. And no, Ike, making Captain America a black guy won't work on me. You're still Marvel. Stop being Marvel and I will buy some of your comics. Nuff said.
 
I hate Wolverine and Spider-Man. Peter Parker is comic's most annoying whiner. Wolverine has boring powers and is a child's idea of what a tough guy is like.
 
I hated the first Iron Man movie. Seriously people, what was so special about it?
 
I hated the first Captain America movie (First Avenger, not the direct to video one, the made for TV one from the 70s, or the movie serial. Those were competent.) Cap should be punching Hitler dammit! Winter Soldier and Civil War were amazing. I'm going to miss Chris Evans when he retires. He's the best embodiment of God, Mom, and apple pie since Christopher Reeve.
 
I hate Batman. It took me several years and much soul searching to figure out why. I think it comes down to the fact that the post-Dark Knight Returns Batman is the most juvenile character ever created. He's like a teenage boy's view of himself. He's humourless, he has to be the best at everything, and he's in an eternal d--k measuring contest with the entire Justice League (cause no one's explained Wonder Woman to him yet). Does anybody remember when Batman was friends with his fellow superheroes? Does anybody remember when he wasn't being eternally emo about his dead parents? I do. I remember when Bruce was serious, but not grim and wangsty. He didn't smile, but good God, he could at least crack a deadpan joke!
 
In my opinion, Superman is the greatest superhero ever created. There. I said it.
I hate "classic" Battlestar Galactica and I've never seen enough of the new one to form an opinion.
I'm yet another person who's never gotten very far with Tolkien. The Hobbit was better than Fellowship, but I've never finished either. I might try again at some point.
I like Voyager.
I hate Arrow.
As much as I like David Tennant, I still think Christopher Eccleston was the best of the nuWho Doctors.
I think Stephen Moffat has done an amazing job and I'm going to miss him when he's gone.
Jar Jar Binks was horrible, but he wasn't the worst thing in the Star Wars prequels. The worst thing in the Star Wars prequels was Hayden Christiansen's emo psychopath.
I like Final Crisis.
I've never played Vampire in any version. I've never played D&D for more than a night,
I've never played WoW or City of Heroes. I've never owned any Playstations. In fact, I've never gotten into video games.
I think Jim Lee is overrated. I can see why people like him, but I can also see that he's a terrible storyteller who makes his writers look the same.
I think comics fans need to find a better target than Rob Liefeld. Yeah he can't draw, but at this point, every time someone mentions it it feels like beating up on the nice, developmentally delayed kid. There are lots of reasons to hate Rob Liefeld. Could we go after his character and give the art thing a rest?
I like classic Star Trek, but I don't worship Gene Roddenbury. The guy was kind of weird and not in a good way. All the best stuff in Trek was invented by Gene L. Coon among others. Let's give them some of the credit. Okay?
I don't worship George Lucas either. Star Wars was fun when I was a kid, but let's not turn this into something it isn't. You want great Sci-fi? Dune. 1984. Farenheit 451, Brave New World. Slaughterhouse Five. The Star Wars movies are fun. That's all.
I've never cosplayed. I want to, but I can't think of anyone I wouldn't look stupid as.
I've never played Warhammer or any other miniatures game.
I own 2 decks of Magic cards. Never touched 'em.
 
That's all for now. If I think of any more I'll add them.