2022-23 NFL Thread

[Logan D. Hurricanes]

Kurt Warner is on there twice! Very nice. 

[Cancer]

Yeah, but I think him being there for the Rams is recency bias.  That should be Bob Waterfield.

 

For Seattle, they haven't had a TE worth mentioning.  Putting in the Saints' Jimmy Graham is degrading; his time with the Squawks was not that good.

[Logan D. Hurricanes]

Looking at the Defense for the Bucs is a real trip back for me. That is an awesome assembly from a time I cared about the team. 

 

I'm kinda surprised the Jets QB is Namath. They haven't had someone better in 50 years? Well, I guess if you're the sole SB winner that locks you in. 

[unclevlad]

Reverse receny bias.  Namath in his prime was brilliant.  That period was, admittedly, short...but the same can be said for Gale Sayers.  And, remember:  he's in the HoF.  

 

Besides, here's a full list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

 

Collectively, that's a really, really TERRIBLE list.  That's the part we don't remember.  How many of these even made the Pro Bowl in individual years, much less have an overall career described as anything but forgettable.  The Jets have had decent seasons...back to back to the conference championship, but that was ALL on the defense.  Hey, the QB was Mark Sanchez, and OK, he's responsible for one of the most memorable plays in Jets history...but it wasn't a positive one.

 

I think that explains things like Watson being the best QB for the Texans...it's serious damnation by faint praise.  And the history is short, too, with them.  I'd still give it to David Carr, for giving a truly AWFUL team what he could.  He's called a draft bust, sure, but he got *killed* on the field.  

[Pariah]

Yeah, David Carr's lack of a supporting cast pretty much assured that his career wouldn't get a happy ending.

 

Too soon...? 

[Old Man]

1 hour ago, Pariah said:

Yeah, David Carr's lack of a supporting cast pretty much assured that his career wouldn't get a happy ending.

 

Too soon...? 

If nothing else David served as the example of how to ruin a quarterback. Some franchises continue to ignore the lesson, but some got the message. It’s also why Derek has the fastest time to throw in the league. 

[Cancer]

Rodgers from Packers to Jets has finally occurred

 

By-line in that page reads, "The Jets have never been burned by going for a legendary Packers QB before."

[Pariah]

Rodgers 2023 = Wilson 2022.

 

You read it here first.

[Pariah]

48 minutes ago, Cancer said:

Rodgers from Packers to Jets has finally occurred

 

By-line in that page reads, "The Jets have never been burned by going for a legendary Packers QB before."

 

Da Bears posted this in reaction to the trade:

 

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Pariah

[unclevlad]

33 minutes ago, Pariah said:

Rodgers 2023 = Wilson 2022.

 

You read it here first.

 

In one sense, maybe, but GB is letting Rodgers go CHEAP!!!!  From NFL.com:

 

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The Jets receive Rodgers, the Packers' 2023 first-round pick (No. 15 overall) and a fifth-round pick (No. 170) in exchange for New York's 2023 first-rounder (No. 13), 2023 second-round (No. 42) and sixth-round (No. 207) picks, as well as a conditional 2024 second-round selection that could become a first if Rodgers plays in at least 65 percent of the Jets' snaps this year.

 

So mostly it's the #2 this year, and the conditional for next year.  

 

But, if Rodgers comes with the baggage we expect, and gets his way for some of His Boys...expensive vet contracts that'll force out good, young, CHEAP players...yes, there's huge potential for subtraction by addition.  That said, for now at least they haven't mortgaged the future the way the Broncos did.

 

So, one of the rings of the circus is empty now.  Lamar Jackson pretty much has the only circus act left...for now.

[Cancer]

The weirdest fallout to all this is that there are now people who think the Lions are the most likely to win the NFC Central.

[unclevlad]

38 minutes ago, Cancer said:

The weirdest fallout to all this is that there are now people who think the Lions are the most likely to win the NFC Central.

 

Hard to believe, for sure, but who else?  Packers have tremendous uncertainly at QB...and a so-so team overall even with Rodgers.  The Bears look to be hopeless again.  So...the Vikes?  OK, 13-4...but how many were coin flips that went their way?  They got VERY little betting love, IIRC, against the Giants, for a 13-4 team...and it proved out when they plain lost.  Vikes seem just as likely to be sub-.500 as to contend for the division.    

[Old Man]

49 minutes ago, unclevlad said:

 

Hard to believe, for sure, but who else?  Packers have tremendous uncertainly at QB...and a so-so team overall even with Rodgers.  The Bears look to be hopeless again.  So...the Vikes?  OK, 13-4...but how many were coin flips that went their way?  They got VERY little betting love, IIRC, against the Giants, for a 13-4 team...and it proved out when they plain lost.  Vikes seem just as likely to be sub-.500 as to contend for the division.    

 

Sub-.500 could win that division.

[Pariah]

Well, the Pistons suck, the Tigers suck, and the Red Wings suck. Maybe the Lions won't...?

[Grailknight]

On 4/23/2023 at 11:28 AM, unclevlad said:

Reverse receny bias.  Namath in his prime was brilliant.  That period was, admittedly, short...but the same can be said for Gale Sayers.  And, remember:  he's in the HoF.  

 

Besides, here's a full list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

 

Collectively, that's a really, really TERRIBLE list.  That's the part we don't remember.  How many of these even made the Pro Bowl in individual years, much less have an overall career described as anything but forgettable.  The Jets have had decent seasons...back to back to the conference championship, but that was ALL on the defense.  Hey, the QB was Mark Sanchez, and OK, he's responsible for one of the most memorable plays in Jets history...but it wasn't a positive one.

 

I think that explains things like Watson being the best QB for the Texans...it's serious damnation by faint praise.  And the history is short, too, with them.  I'd still give it to David Carr, for giving a truly AWFUL team what he could.  He's called a draft bust, sure, but he got *killed* on the field.  

 

The Jets have not had a single player get an MVP vote in 50 years. Not win, get a vote. From ESPN:

 

Argument No. 2: Trading for Rodgers heals a psychic pain

Every team can have a lean year or two, but what about a half-century? In 1972, 29-year-old Joe Namath led the league in passing yards and touchdowns as part of the NFL's second-best scoring offense. If you were a young person who became a Jets fan over the prior decade, you had been treated to a championship, one of the greatest upsets in the history of professional sports and stellar play from your quarterback. You probably felt like you had made the right choice, right?

Four of The Associated Press' 75 voters chose Namath as their MVP in 1972, placing Namath third that season. Since then, not a single Jets player has garnered a single AP MVP vote. I'm not talking about winning an award; no Jets player has received a single vote from any AP voter in any race over the past 50 years.

Jets players are 0-for-several thousand. Every other NFL franchise besides the Jaguars has had an NFL player receive at least one MVP vote since 1972, and the Jags didn't come into existence until 1995. Unlike the Jaguars, the Jets play in the biggest media market in America, one in which the Giants have had five different players take home at least one vote over that time frame.

Gang Green has enjoyed a few superstars over that period, but they've almost all been either defensive players (Darrelle Revis, Mark Gastineau, Mo Lewis) or offensive linemen (Joe Fields, Dan Alexander, Nick Mangold). Running back Curtis Martin is one of the few exceptions, but even the future Hall of Famer wasn't able to muster a single MVP vote. With two Offensive Player of the Year votes in 2004, Martin garnered exactly half of the OPOY votes the Jets received over the past half-century, with Ken O'Brien taking home one of 75 votes in 1986 and Vinny Testaverde one in 1998.

Brett Favre spent the 2008 season with the Jets, throwing 22 touchdown passes and 22 picks while leading the team to a 9-7 record. Mike Stobe/Getty Images

All of this is to say that if you became a Jets fan after Namath's peak, there have not been many moments in your life where you woke up, thought about your team and felt like you had a quarterback who could win the MVP award. Maybe you felt that way about Testaverde in 1999, but he tore his left Achilles in Week 1. Chad Pennington didn't even make it to the opener after his lofty 2002 season before suffering a wrist injury and subsequently tearing his rotator cuff, altering his career in the process.

If there has ever been a moment in which Jets fans could wake up and feel like they had a true MVP candidate, it was in 2008. Their quarterback that year was the 39-year-old they had just acquired from the Packers, Brett Favre, who had finished second in the MVP race the prior season, albeit with one vote to Tom Brady's 49. Favre had won three MVP awards a decade before arriving in New York, but he had received votes in six different seasons.

Favre got off to a hot start with the Jets, only for a torn biceps in his throwing arm that led to a 1-4 collapse at the end of his lone season in New York. He would retire and unretire again and then move on to the Vikings, where he claimed MVP votes for the seventh time before declining and retiring for good (I think).

Now, in acquiring another 39-year-old quarterback from the Packers, Jets fans have another quarterback who could viably win MVP. Rodgers has four awards on his mantel, including back-to-back victories in 2020 and 2021. The Jets simply have not had a quarterback with a recent résumé as impressive as Rodgers since Namath, who played his last game for the team during the Ford administration.

From this lens, trading for Rodgers is about something more than the 2023 Jets. It's about giving hope to a fan base that has been forced to watch mostly disastrous quarterback play since the disco era. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by Grailknight

[Logan D. Hurricanes]

re: Jags

 

Bad news- LT Cam Robinson suspended for PEDs.

 

Good news- Trevor Lawrence got ranked ahead of A. A. Ron Rodgers in the list of AFC QBs. 

[Cancer]

I have seen so many patently idiotic mock draft discussions and fanboy-fantasy-draft/trade "articles" that I will be fantastically happy when Round 1 is completed in a bit more than 24 hours, and the speculation drivel is replaced by vapid regurgitation of the obvious that will the first installment of analysis drivel.

[Old Man]

I checked and the Seahawks pick fifth.  They could screw up their draft before the Raiders screw up theirs!

[Pariah]

Lamar Jackson gets a five year, $260M deal from the Ravens, according to CBS Sports. He's now the NFL's highest paid player, and the $185M in guaranteed money is second only to that guy in Cleveland. 

Edited April 27, 2023 by Pariah

[Pariah]

1 hour ago, Old Man said:

I checked and the Seahawks pick fifth.  They could screw up their draft before the Raiders screw up theirs!

 

...but not before the Broncos screw up theirs. They've spent the last 2 years doing that.

[Starlord]

Texans are really going for it in this draft

[unclevlad]

Guys, let's close this thread and move everything from here on, into the 23-24 thread.