zakueins Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 http://www.marvel.com/publishing/stories/showstory.htm?id=12 Great....issue after issue of Freudian Mormon angst. Yay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Personally I was elated at this new. Card is a fabulous writer (most of the time) and I like the character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinanju Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Personally I was elated at this new. Card is a fabulous writer (most of the time) and I like the character. I agree that Card is a good writer. What I'm not happy about is the apparent backstory they're going to do--how Tony Stark's parents were working on some kind of armor tech (and his mother is killed in the process). Geez. Must _every_ superhero have a tragic background? And, anyway, I thought they'd already created an "Ultimate" version of Iron Man. He's part of the Ultimates, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Tony Stark already had a tragic background. His father was an alcoholic and his parents died in a car crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gillen Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... http://www.marvel.com/publishing/stories/showstory.htm?id=12 Great....issue after issue of Freudian Mormon angst. Yay. Freudian Mormonism? How do you pull that off? JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakueins Posted December 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Iron Man was a part of the Ultimates. Now, he's getting his own book. Here's my idea for a better Iron Man back story.... Tony Stark had a very kind and loving mother, and a emotionally distant father (the father did love the mother very, very much). However, Mother suffered from some nasty, lingering disease when Tony was younger-and the worse it got, the more distant the boarding school Tony got shuffled off to every year. And, Tony's mind didn't help any-he was THE smartest kid there, and he got into college when he was 15. Tony's mom died when he was about 16, she did know how much her son loved her (he found out about the disease and came to her bedside before she died-his father had forbidden it) The day he graduated from college (MIT doctorate by the time he turned 21), he enlisted in the Marines-Dad wanted him to go right into company work. Tony became an officer (this is how he met Jim Rhodes-Jim was Tony's Gunny) and he became as much of a fighting soldier and hell-raiser as was possible during the Clinton Administration-even paying for supplimental equipment, ammo, and support for his troops out of his own pocket (his mother's will gave him a huge trust fund that was untouchable). Just as Tony was about to get onto the list for Commander, he resigned his commision-his father had died and somebody had to run Stark Enterprises. And, that only person was Tony-59% of the stock was in Tony's name and direct (no proxies) control. A year after he had gotten started working there-he had gotten ahold of his father's diary...and realized just how much his Dad had loved him and his mom. Tony was...driven. He could party all night, wake up the next morning and be rock-solid handling massive precision machinery. One of the things that facinated him was one of the Super Solider projects that happened early on-Stark Enterprises had been working on a suit of powered armor. The technology was there...and he worked on it. Mono-moniacally. Especially when he discovered that he had a brain tumor-identical to what his mother had-that would kill him one day without warning (have to consult with a doctor about a brain tumor that would leave someone functional-and kill without warning one day). The Mark I Iron Man was...tricky. And had a technician count slightly less than the Apollo missions every time the suit launched. Eventually, he got a pratical suit (Mark IV) and that's where we meet him in the Ultimates. Ultimate Iron Man is when we get to the Mark V suit and the whacky begins. I agree that Card is a good writer. What I'm not happy about is the apparent backstory they're going to do--how Tony Stark's parents were working on some kind of armor tech (and his mother is killed in the process). Geez. Must _every_ superhero have a tragic background? And, anyway, I thought they'd already created an "Ultimate" version of Iron Man. He's part of the Ultimates, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... I agree that Card is a good writer. What I'm not happy about is the apparent backstory they're going to do--how Tony Stark's parents were working on some kind of armor tech (and his mother is killed in the process). Geez. Must _every_ superhero have a tragic background? . Ah. I hadn't heard anything other than that Card was writing it. I don't pay anywhere as much attention to Marvel stuff as I do DC. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Here's my idea for a better Iron Man back story....Excellent! You have been rep'ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyendasky80 Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Here's my idea for a better Iron Man back story.... Pretty good, but Tony shouldn't be a soldier or a "hell raiser." He's an aristocrat, if he is part of the military, it should be intelligence or research, but I'd stay away from it entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinanju Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Tony Stark already had a tragic background. His father was an alcoholic and his parents died in a car crash. Allow me to rephrase my objection, then. WHY must everthing in Tony's life revolve around armor and high-tech angst? An alcoholic father and a parent or parents who died when he was young are fine by me--these things happen. But why must they tie his parents into the armor schtick at all? We've already got ultimate Spidey, whose father invented the webbing and the black goo that eventually turned into Venom. ENOUGH ALREADY! I'd much rather just have Tony Stark, Suuuuuuuuuuuper-Genius, from a fairly normal background...with a brain tumor that will eventually kill him in his prime. There's yer tragedy, pal! Why is he driven? Because a) he's a genius and the ideas just come to him, and he wants to make his mark on the world before he dies young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakueins Posted December 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... He's been a playboy in the Ultimates...and, I wanted to tie in a "military" aspect that the original Iron Man background story had (he was a soldier/mercenary in Vietnam or such). And, it gives a good tie-in background for Jim Rhodes, Nick Fury, etc, etc... Pretty good' date=' but Tony shouldn't be a soldier or a "hell raiser." He's an aristocrat, if he is part of the military, it should be intelligence or research, but I'd stay away from it entirely.[/quote'] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gillen Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... He's been a playboy in the Ultimates...and' date=' I wanted to tie in a "military" aspect that the original Iron Man background story had (he was a soldier/mercenary in Vietnam or such). And, it gives a good tie-in background for Jim Rhodes, Nick Fury, etc, etc...[/quote'] It gives a good tie in for Rhodes, but in the Stan Lee origin, Stark was a military contractor who visited Vietnam and got captured by the Communists. JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Freudian Mormonism? How do you pull that off? JG While thinking of your mother and your other mother and your other other mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gillen Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... While thinking of your mother and your other mother and your other other mother. That's just too confusing. JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... While thinking of your mother and your other mother and your other other mother. Jack Benny Now Cut that Out! /Jack Benny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... he enlisted in the Marines- Just as Tony was about to get onto the list for Commander Was he in the Marines in your proposed backstory, or the Navy? There's no rank of "commander" in the Marines. http://www.military-quotes.com/ranks/marine-rank-insignia.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... http://www.marvel.com/publishing/stories/showstory.htm?id=12 Great....issue after issue of Freudian Mormon angst. Yay. As soon as I saw the title of your thread, my first thought was "Oh goody, Iron Man as mormon parable." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBikle Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Bothers me for two reasons: 1 Seems like every new writer feels the need to "revamp" and "update" his origin, when the original idea still works (Stark and other scientists are held captive by Asian warlord, Won Chu, for the intent of creating a high-tech weapons sweatshop and Tony uses the opportunity to create his first suit of armor with the intent of escaping). Both Ellis and Card's updates add nothing to the character (same goes to the knuckleheads who made Stark evil and reversed his age back to a teenager). David Michelinie and Bill Mantlo were the only ones who got it right: Make Stark a progressive futurist capitalist who is surrounded by high-tech trappings at Stark Intl. and has an interesting cast (Madame Masque, Jack Of Hearts, Jarvis, Mrs. Arboghast, Rhodey, Bethany Cabe, the Guardsman, et al). Unlike most millionaire playboys, Stark enjoys being rich and hangs out in Monaco casinos with super-models. Michelinie added the alchoholism and alternate suits of armor and mase them both work. 2 I hate re-reading the same, but slightly-altered origin every time a re-launch/revamp/reboot/whatever is dictated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Both Ellis and Card's updates add nothing to the character But remember this is the Ultimate Iron Man, whose backstory hasn't been told before. Not even much in the way of hints for it in the Ultimates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBikle Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... But remember this is the Ultimate Iron Man' date=' whose backstory hasn't been told before. Not even much in the way of hints for it in the Ultimates.[/quote'] Ah. I completely missed the part of it being Ultimate Iron Man. That notwithstanding, the rest of my fanboy rant stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... It can't suck as bad as Byrne's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyendasky80 Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Ultimate Iron Man had his "origin" revealed in Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, but most people thumb their noses at BMB's origins and act like it didn't happen. Except Mark Millar, who goes out of his way to make Ultimate Marvel Team-Up canon. I think their going to chalk up the UMTU origin as Iron-Man's cover story. Which is utter crap as it was related via interior monologue. "Most... reminisce... about cover story, in case... any.... telepaths are... wandering by." Uttered as Iron-Man lies disabled by high-tech thieves about to kidnap him to steal his armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... While thinking of your mother and your other mother and your other other mother. Outdated. it has been more than ninety-five years since the mainstream of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-Day Saints practiced polygamy. Only fringe groups still cling to the practice. The rest of us get a little bit tried of the jokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualplayer Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Re: Orson Scott Card To Write Ultimate Iron Man... Ok, yeah, Alvin Maker's crystal city just might happen to get built on the sight of Nauvoo. And the people of the fringe were explicitly Mormon. But write what you know for Pete's sake! I don't think Ender or Bean were LDS. Orson can do other themes. Obviously working in comics is starting to pay really, really well. It's like that wish list for writers in Quesada's office in Ultimate Marvel Team-Up Annual, you know the one that had the completely disregarded origin of the FF. There are names on the list like Martin Scorcese, Tom Clancy, Truma Capote, David Mamet and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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