Doctor Agenda Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: New Avengers? It's sad, but I agree. If someone made a comic that was nothing but "Spidey pwns Wolverine greatest hits" I would be tempted to buy it BTW, for those who want to be spoiled on the incident I'm talking about, someone scanned a page at superhero hype http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6315723&postcount=20 Now THAT's funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Now THAT's funny! Something Wolvie should of learned about in his long years of living...you never, NEVER insult someone's sinifigent other in frount of the person who is the other's sinifigent. (Or, in beter words, you never insult someone's wife/husban in frount of there husban/wife) Serves him right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Though I do hear good things about Astonishing. I like Astonishing Xmen, but then again I am a Whedon fanboy. I don't care for Bendis, so I can't give a non biased opinion on New Avengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikathos Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? I agree that Astonishing X-Men is top notch it brought me back to the book and actually made me like the characters again. I really wish that Marvel would just STOP with the over exposure of Wolverine. Tired and annoying marketing device. Sales flag in a book, quick add Wolverine! Now, as for the New Avengers....(Blinks at the screen).... Everyone hated me on this thing previously for daring to not like Battle Star Galactica...You can all hate me for Not likeing the new Avengers one bit. Line up and form a Que if you like. I like "Powers" by Bendis I collect it and enjoy it thoroughly. If I could stomach the art on Daredevil I think I would collect that too. As for the "New" Avengers. My gripe about "I know! Let's cancel a comic and restart it at #1" aside. Along with the Death and now apparent resurection of Hawkeye.... My biggest gripe about the team is Spiderman. He shouldn't be there, in my opinion. He can hang with the big boys there is no doubt. But the Feel of the character his roots are the streets. Helping the Little guy out instead of tussling with Count Nefarious or Ultron. He's the wild card that shows up and saves the day. Not the Comedy relief he was portrayed in the first 6 issues of the series. Yeah, he cracks wise to set his Enemies on edge but the guy has earned at least some respect. So why is he made the Clown? I have no problem with Spiderwoman, Captain America, Iron Man, or Luke Cage. Uh...Sentry? Introduced in a Mini-Series and correct me if I am wrong ( like I know you want to) Did the Mini Series really do any decent sales? You know what? You want to suddenly shunt in a character and make him Marvel's answer to Superman fine. But lets not pretend Bendis isnt' force feeding that concept to us. Sentry? Who freakin' cares. Wolverine: As it was previously mentioned in another reply. How many FREAKIN teams can they toss this overused twit on? Although as an aside....I want to see Wolverine guest star in Archie... I mean they had the Punisher do it. Why not? Heh. Now twit? Okay, maybe not so much. As with any character if they are written well then its forgivable, but he isn't really written well here. I too miss Samurai Wolverine. Wolverine that wasn't made to be the *** of the team. Please...Wolverine is the "IT" factor for the New Avengers? He's this Generations answer to Captain America? Bendis actually thinks we will buy this? What part of Wolverine is desirable or even admirable except for the fact that his Healing factor can keep him from picking up any STD's. Ugh... I did like the art though. And I feel bad for J.M.S. on Amazing Spiderman doing his best to make Lemonade out of Lemons. I just can't read that book anymore. Thankfully he still is writing Supreme Powers, and now the Fantastic Four. I think I'm done. Quick I voiced an opinion. Bring the Sarcastic hate laced replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? I think most agree with you, Rik. Bendis could have put together a better team out of all the characters Marvel owns. Someone pointed out that he only likes to use certain characters for whatever reason. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Which shows everybody how much better a writer Peter David is.He initially hated the character of the Hulk when he first took over the book,yet his run is now considered the definitive version of the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Which shows everybody how much better a writer Peter David is.He initially hated the character of the Hulk when he first took over the book' date='yet his run is now considered the definitive version of the series.[/quote'] So why would he take the reigns of a character he hated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? So why would he take the reigns of a character he hated? Wouldn't you love to get control of some characters you hate? I know I would... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? So why would he take the reigns of a character he hated? Perhaps for the challenge Perhaps for the money Perhaps to improve said character Perhaps so he could make said character suffer... We may never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParitySoul Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Personally I like New Avengers run. There' s a lot of thinking going on inside the book. Old plots that Marvel never use to touch on are finally getting looked at. Capt. America dealing with the mutant issue. Spiderman getting more props from the heavyhitters. Capt/Wolve already know he's good in a pinch but honestly if you were going to have an Avengers with Luke Cage, Spiderwoman, etc...you'd need Spidy to balance them out. I just hope they get off of some of the overdone tropes they've been playing on. Super loosing he secret idenity, EVIL government conspiracy (with suprise twist...Spiderwomans involvement in this is a bit tiresome.) Etc. Btw, if you measure in Tbots, New Avengers, Young Avengers, New Xmen...it's a good time to be a Marvel reader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamashii2000 Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Noticed something in the Amazing spiderman book.. there's a moment where webhead gets dizzy..then he starts acting immature (even more then normal) Maybe Wolvie acting like a idiot towards cap and spiderman aren't just bad writing but a plot line.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reneshat Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Wouldn't you love to get control of some characters you hate? I know I would... I would love to get my hands on (I'm going to get creamed for this).... Superman. I hate Superman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyendasky80 Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? next he's telling spiderman he doesn't like him?? Spidey and Wolerine have never got along. Agreed. I kind of LIKE Samuraii Logan' date=' loved the mini series with Claremont and Miller that showed him as such. Beserker wolverine was okay in his day, but lately it seems he's coming second to batman in needing to read "How to win friends and influence people"[/quote'] My theory is Jean's death is making him pissy, it's really gotten bad since she died. We'll have to wait and see what happens when she comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Perhaps for the challenge Perhaps for the money Perhaps to improve said character Perhaps so he could make said character suffer... We may never know That's kind of my point, the last reason is probably one of the few reasons I'd work on a Punisher book, actually the LAST Punisher book, because I would kill him. But if it were a charater that I thought could be something, I don't know. Saying I hated it before I took it over, that's ego building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorG Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Re: New Avengers? I think most agree with you, Rik. Bendis could have put together a better team out of all the characters Marvel owns. Someone pointed out that he only likes to use certain characters for whatever reason. CES You're absolutely right, Spider Woman and Luke Cage being used in the Alias series was perfect, but now Bendis has the "New" Avengers and he is stuffing the team full of his favourites. I am not a huge Wolvie fan or Spiderman for that matter but loved the way Bendis was writing Cage and Spidrwoman. I just wish they were back in Alias (and not the lame "Pulse" that the series turned into), and really do you need two spider people on one team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Not really.Obviously Bendis is taking a leaf from the Legion Of Super-Heroes (who are notorious for having characters with similar powers,bylaws be damned). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyendasky80 Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Re: New Avengers? You're absolutely right' date=' Spider Woman and Luke Cage being used in the Alias series was perfect, but now Bendis has the "New" Avengers and he is stuffing the team full of his favourites. I am not a huge Wolvie fan or Spiderman for that matter but loved the way Bendis was writing Cage and Spidrwoman. I just wish they were back in Alias (and not the lame "Pulse" that the series turned into), and really do you need two spider people on one team?[/quote'] This is SOP for Avengers. I can't recall a writer who took over the series and didn't immediately bring in his favorite Avengers. Bendis just widen his search to include non-avengers. Which is not entirely unheard of either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Re: New Avengers? This is SOP for Avengers. I can't recall a writer who took over the series and didn't immediately bring in his favorite Avengers. Bendis just widen his search to include non-avengers. Which is not entirely unheard of either. Can you imagine the outrage that would have occured if the team had been reduced to 3 former criminals and Cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Can you imagine the outrage that would have occured if the team had been reduced to 3 former criminals and Cap? Roy Thomas is a lot better writer than Bendis. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Here's the thing I don't like about the New Avengers: it's sloppy team building. Look at their roster. Do they have a mentalist? No. Do they have a mystic? A speedster? Shapshifter? No. They have heavy hitters, but nothing really unusual. They'll do fine in most head on fights, but that's all they can do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? They really only two-three heavy hitters at that (Sentry, Iron Man, and Spider Man.) If you have the sheer power to knock those three out, You can walk over the rest of the team. I know, I know. Captain America is the best at what he does, and so is Wolverine, but if I blow the crap out of Sentry, I am not too worried about these two. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? They really only two-three heavy hitters at that (Sentry' date=' Iron Man, and Spider Man.) If you have the sheer power to knock those three out, You can walk over the rest of the team.[/quote'] This was never a problem with the old lineups.... Like Thor, Iron Man, Cap, Wasp and Giant-Man Well, at least they killed off Hawkeye - after all, who's going to take out Thor/Sentry, Iron Man and Captain America and then be worried about [sneer] Hawkeye [/sneer], right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? Here's the thing I don't like about the New Avengers: it's sloppy team building. By whom? The team themselves? Can they send out a "Help Wanted" ad? "Shapeshifter required for Superteam. Must be experienced. Please provide references and Hunteds list. We thank all applicants for their interest, but only candidates under consideration will be considered." Maybe they should actively recruit members, but that's not the same book as "here are some characters thrown together by circumstances to deal with threats as they arise". Look at their roster. Do they have a mentalist? No. Do they have a mystic? A speedster? Shapshifter? No. They have heavy hitters' date=' but nothing really unusual. They'll do fine in most head on fights, but that's all they can do![/quote'] The deus ex machina of always having the character on the team whose powers are just right to fix the problem seems to me to be lazy writing. Perhaps, sometimes, the heroes should have to use their brains to figure out a way to defeat the villain, not just to assess which multipower slot would work best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? This was never a problem with the old lineups.... Like Thor, Iron Man, Cap, Wasp and Giant-Man Well, at least they killed off Hawkeye - after all, who's going to take out Thor/Sentry, Iron Man and Captain America and then be worried about [sneer] Hawkeye [/sneer], right? The Avengers have always had a wild card member in their line ups. Usually that was someone like the Scarlet Witch or Hawkeye. One could change probabilities to suit. The other had an arrow for any situation. The death of Hawkeye as presented was kind of poor. At least they brought him back only like 6 months later, instead of 20 years. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: New Avengers? By whom? The team themselves? Can they send out a "Help Wanted" ad? "Shapeshifter required for Superteam. Must be experienced. Please provide references and Hunteds list. We thank all applicants for their interest, but only candidates under consideration will be considered." Maybe they should actively recruit members, but that's not the same book as "here are some characters thrown together by circumstances to deal with threats as they arise". The deus ex machina of always having the character on the team whose powers are just right to fix the problem seems to me to be lazy writing. Perhaps, sometimes, the heroes should have to use their brains to figure out a way to defeat the villain, not just to assess which multipower slot would work best. Remember what happened in the Goverment years. The Falcon had to be recruited to meet the EEOC guidelines. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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