Xavier Onassiss Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures "Hey' date=' is that a Hobbit in your cloak, or are you glad toWHoaGodthatshottothekneereallyhurt!"[/quote'] Seeing as Merry's "assist" against the Witch King is such an iconic moment in fantasy literature, it amazes me that for three and a half editions of a certain fantasy rpg, a rogue wasn't allowed to inflict extra "backstab" damage against the undead.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Ah, but was the Witch King "undead"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures From their description and origins in the novels, I'd say yes. Also, before the Tolkien Estate complained about copyright infringement, they were described in the Original D&D game as spectres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures 9 given to mortal men, doomed to die I'd always assumed that the ringwraiths never actually died, and their rings stretched out their lives and made them like the undead, but not undead per se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures That was my take as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures See how your splorch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures And Jayne is your door gunner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures 9 given to mortal men, doomed to die I'd always assumed that the ringwraiths never actually died, and their rings stretched out their lives and made them like the undead, but not undead per se. I took it as the rings dooming them more than they already were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I took it as the rings dooming them more than they already were. Actually, Gandalf does say that if Frodo had died from the poison, he'd have become as a Ringwraith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mackinder Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Actually' date=' Gandalf does say that if Frodo had died from the poison, he'd have become as a Ringwraith.[/quote'] A noticeably short one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Actually' date=' Gandalf does say that if Frodo had died from the poison, he'd have become as a Ringwraith.[/quote'] "Like unto" is not exactly the same as. And it was the Morgul-blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Actually' date=' Gandalf does say that if Frodo had died from the poison, he'd have become as a Ringwraith.[/quote'] A noticeably short one."Aren't you a little short to be a ringwraith?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I took it as the rings dooming them more than they already were. Only if you also assume that the rings doomed the Elven kings to be under the sky more than they already were, and the Dwarf lords were more doomed to halls of stone than normal Dwarves. "doomed to die" just expands on the phrase "mortal Men." They're doomed to die by virtue of being mortal Men, just as the Dwarf lords have halls of stone by virtue of being Dwarf lords, etc. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary surmises that no rings were forged for Ents because Ents, like trees, already had lots of rings and get new ones every year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures "Aren't you a little short to be a ringwraith?" New movie: 9½ Ringwraiths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Only if you also assume that the rings doomed the Elven kings to be under the sky more than they already were, and the Dwarf lords were more doomed to halls of stone than normal Dwarves. "doomed to die" just expands on the phrase "mortal Men." They're doomed to die by virtue of being mortal Men, just as the Dwarf lords have halls of stone by virtue of being Dwarf lords, etc. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary surmises that no rings were forged for Ents because Ents, like trees, already had lots of rings and get new ones every year anyway. Why was it that only the humans became the Ringwraiths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Sauron intended for all the rings to havethat effect -- but the Dwarves cannot be influenced from outside, their rings could only make those wealthy more wealthy. And the Elven rings were presumably never touched by Sauron, made by Celebrimbor alone. And when Sauron made theOne Ring and put it on, the Elven rulers percieved him and took their rings off before he could dominate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Sauron intended for all the rings to have that effect -- but the Dwarves cannot be influenced from outside' date=' their rings could only make those wealthy more wealthy. And the Elven rings were presumably never touched by Sauron, made by Celebrimbor alone. And when Sauron made the One Ring and put it on, the Elven rulers perceived him and took their rings off before he could dominate them.[/quote'] I thought the story had Sauron making all of the rings mentioned, and gave them out as gifts before making his One to seal their fate. But after reading a bit of Wikipedia, I see that apparently wasn't so, though the elven rings were (according to Wikipedia) made by elves under Sauron's tutelage. I don't remember the name Celebrimbor at all. Who was that? And why can't Dwarves be influenced from outside? And why didn't Sauron know that little bit of very, very important trivia about the Dwarves? Even without the elves taking off their rings, his plan was apparently flawed, since the Dwarves' rings wouldn't bring/bind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Celebrimbor was the master craftsman of the Noldor of Eregion, the besties of the Dwarves of Khazad-Dûm. He was the grandson of Fëanor, and so was of Finwë's family and royalty. The incorruptability of Dwarves was a gift of Aulë when he made them, to better withstan the rigors of a world dominated by Melkor/Morgoth. And I'd hazard that Sauron didn't know this little factoid, because no-one did. True, he started out as a Maia of Aule, ut he had long since defected to Melkor when the Dwarves were created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures This artist is amazing [h=1]vertical turn by ~alltelleringet[/h] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Only if you also assume that the rings doomed the Elven kings to be under the sky more than they already were, and the Dwarf lords were more doomed to halls of stone than normal Dwarves. "doomed to die" just expands on the phrase "mortal Men." They're doomed to die by virtue of being mortal Men, just as the Dwarf lords have halls of stone by virtue of being Dwarf lords, etc. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary surmises that no rings were forged for Ents because Ents, like trees, already had lots of rings and get new ones every year anyway. Well, the Dwarves slowly died in their halls of stone and the Elves slowly died under the sky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Well' date=' the Dwarves slowly died in their halls of stone and the Elves slowly died under the sky...[/quote'] Not necessarily. They died very quickly if they encountered a Balrog! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Bah. I could take one single-handedly. If I had a Carl-Gustaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Bah. I could take one single-handedly. If I had a Carl-Gustaf. "Protection From Normal Missiles". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mackinder Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Bah. I could take one single-handedly. If I had a Carl-Gustaf. Me, I'd go with a 'Fat Man' ( http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fat_Man_%28Fallout_3%29 ). If the Balrog gets up after THAT, you know you have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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