FJGA Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Hey all, Was reading some of my old Champions books and remembered some of the old villains not brought up to 5th edition. Who's your faves? Personally, I was a fan of the Destroyers, especially Death Commando. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group You mean Deathstroke, don't you? Shockwave, Death Commando, Requiem, Stinger, Chiller and later Scatterbrain. Good group ... I've used them many times and even updated them to a modern feel I liked several of the older characters, but particularly dug Mongoose, the 4th ed COIL, Genocide, Bullit and many of Aaron Allston's characters (Blood, Circle, METE, etc). Heck, most of them I've modernized with new looks and stats Ahh ... the good ole days ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group You mean Deathstroke' date=' don't you? [/quote'] They were originally called the Destroyers [Death Singer, Frost, Stinger, Arrowhead, and Death Commando]. Their team name was changed to Deathstroke in the adventure of the same name [i'm guessing so there was no confusion with the V&V Death Dual with the Destroyers group]. The member's names were changed in the Champions Universe book to Requiem, Chiller, Stinger, Shockwave, and Death Commando. At that time Scatterbrain was also added to the team. I currently use them as the Destroyers [with their original names and no Scatterbrain] in my current M&M games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group I'm a huge fan of most of the villains in Enemies and Enemies II. Enemies III was hit and miss for me and seemed to reflect that "outsiders" were now writing Champions material [Enemies III feels like the Fiend Folio to me]. I'm currently using most of the characters in E and E2 in their original forms converted to M&M. I love the oldies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Definitely Genocide.....hint hint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimble Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group C.L.O.W.N.! I loved C.L.O.W.N. and still use different incarnations of the group. Merry Andrew and his band of Wacky Nonconformists are always good for a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group I liked C.L.O.W.N. as well, but I can see why some hate them. Some GMs use them to humilate the PCs, others use them to mock the NPC status quo... the latter is far more enjoyable as a player even if your character still has to stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimble Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group I tend to use C.L.O.W.N. for my wackier villain schemes and as comic relief when the tone of the campaign gets a little too dark or serious. The Criminal Legion Of Wacky Nonconformists should always be lighthearted and used sparingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group [Enemies III feels like the Fiend Folio to me] That's a very apt analogy - repped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group The Destroyers/Deathstroke were certainly among my favorite pre-5E villain groups. The plot concept from the adventure Deathstroke!, that the team was behind a movement to put "crooks who are at least honest about it" into positions of power, rather than politicians, had tremendous potential IMHO. The way that the group went about recruiting followers for their cause was logical and practical. The adventure ultimately went a more conventional "stop the supervillain nuclear blackmail scheme" route, but I developed their organization and political agenda further for a subsequent campaign of mine. For my purposes the version of Deathstroke from the 4E Champions Universe book worked well, particularly Scatterbrain and her publicist father. Just the right additions to a group trying to influence public opinion. I was also very fond of the Corruptors of All, from Enemies III. Those were some interesting and innovative villain concepts, with a very clever method of introducing them to a campaign. And you can't beat that name. The brief description of the alternate world of Lo that the Corruptors came from sounded intriguing, particularly the three rival global organized crime syndicates. I'd have loved to see that world developed further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group CLOWN for me too. It was fun to have those short arcs where you have to stop CLOWN from replacing the drinking water with raspberry jello. Yes, everyone would groan when they showed up, but a good time was had by all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Hear is my list of lost villain groups which I miss. 1) The Arseanos: Heck, thay were in the BBB. There is no evidence that thay exist/did exist in the 5th edition. 2) The Geodecents: Othoe I came on to Champs via the BBB, this small group was still populer, eventuly forming not one rewrite, but TWO (one in the old paper magazeen recasting Ultraviolet, and the independent adventure Distopia, which reintroduces Ultraviolet, Dash, and Diamond). 3) The Zodiac: Yes, haveing twelve members can overtax some GMs, but my old GM could handle it (heck, he created the group "The Raindear Raiders" based on all thirteen members of Santa's Raindear made into human supervilains...then recristen them as "Demilition Crew" or something like that). And it was a semi-insperation for my own Mega-Group "The Black Tryangle". 4) Terror Incorprated: Yes, I know thay existed. And I know that officialy the bad profesor is dead. But did anyone recover the body? And even so, could the bad profesor come back? And can I ever learn how to spell his nome-de-crime without a cheat sheat, or without people confusing him with Sir Arther Conan Dole's infamous villain? 5) Radar And Sonar: Yep, I know that two people do NOT make a supervilain team, but who cairs? Thay both have intresting powers, and there are a mirade ways to expand them. 6 & 7) Thunder And Lighting...Panda And Racoon: See above. 8) Eclipse: Prehaps the ONLY good vilain team from Europiean Enimies. Not to mention the ONLY team from that book which the GM used at all. 9) The Director Of Crime and his Film Troup Of Crime: Um, acuality, I only miss The Director...the rest of his Film Troup Of Crime can fall off the edge of the Champions Multiverse for all I cair. Oh, and if you don't recognise him, read "Prymid In The Sky" (I think that was the name of the mega-adventure he was in). 10) The Demons: A group of demon-posesed street gain members. What's more to say. From "Demon Rules" (with one of the first "Seaker Gets Beaten Up" covers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Serpent Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Definitely pre-Scatterbrain/name changes Deathstroke. Fun team. Though they're still around, I liked the old Ultimates, when it was Binder, Blackstar, Slick, Charger and Plasmoid. My players enjoyed pounding them into the pavement many a time. Terror, Inc. could be fun. Love Anklyosaur, but never cared much for the Conquerors as a team or for Neutron. Geodesics could be entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Shockwave=Arrowhead. CLOWN. Well, you'll see CLOWN in Legacies eventually since they seem to be so popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Shockwave=Arrowhead. CLOWN. Well, you'll see CLOWN in Legacies eventually since they seem to be so popular. Not if it's made by Hero you won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Honestly, I miss the old Demon also ... the new one just doesn't have the right feel for a superhero game to me. It does work well for Dark Champions though ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group I actually spoke to Steve about that. He says he has no plans to do anything with them, so that's really up to him and Dave. And he does have the rights, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualplayer Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group CLOWN can only exist and prosper in an environment where CvK is mandatory. In an Iron Age setting, there's no place for toymen or pranksters. I extensively used Zodiac and that villain team with Sleeper, Silver Dragon, Terastar, Phobos and Deimos, Echo and Barefoot Hippy Chick but I can't remember their team name because I never used it. Critical Mass or something? I would like to see Zodiac updated just to finally see Libra's character sheet completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent.0.Fortune Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Zodiac definately. 12 members meant tons of flexability. Small tactical groups, massive assaults, team in-fighting, recruitment, etc. They fit in places that Eurostar and Dr. Destroy could not and they were more versitile than other smaller teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimble Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group I used Zodiac a lot,too.They were and still are a favorite villain group to write up long and involved plots for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Geodesics could be entertaining. I actually rebuilt the Geodesics for the kick-off adventure of my most recent campaign. The players immediately recognized the team. They were a little surprised when they found out the 350-point Geodesics could actually fight back... In my old campaign, Viper Force 2 were always a good foil for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Well, the Zodiac tops my list followed closely by Deathstroke/Destroyers. For the guys that think the Zodiac has to many members, there's nothing that says you have to have all 12 members appearing at the same time. They're far easier to handle in small groups. As for Deathstroke/Destroyers, did any of TPTB, ever explain why they decided to change the characters names? Also, and this may be a little off topic, I prefer the former version of PSI to the 5e version, and I don't think I'm the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Also' date=' and this may be a little off topic, I prefer the former version of PSI to the 5e version, and I don't think I'm the only one.[/quote'] I TOTALLY forgot about PSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Also, and this may be a little off topic, I prefer the former version of PSI to the 5e version, and I don't think I'm the only one. I agree 100% ... man I miss 4e characters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Re: Favorite lost villain group Does anyone know the reasoning behind the changes they made to PSI for 5E? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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