Christopher R Taylor Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Of course, you can only carry about 4 seconds worth of ammo on a motorcycle for a minigun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 And the A10 Warthog can only carry about 10 seconds worth of ammo for its cannon -- but it's still effective for its given role. Prefers2Lurk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 They tried vulcans on helicopters in the Vietnam war, but they couldn't carrry enough ammo to fire them for more than a few seconds, so it was pointless. At a certain point, cyclic rate becomes a drawback unless its one of those Phalanx guns on a ship. Not gonna run out of ammo any time soon on an aircraft carrier. They can even make more if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 The trick with the minigun on the motorcycle is to squeeze off about 1/3 second of brrrrp at targets. It should be more than enough to force control rolls in your targets while the motorcycle dextrously maneuvers around larger vehicles sidelined by its fire to their tires, through windshields, etc. i.e. No long brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp, but something more like well-aimed, short burst brrrp brrrp brrrp's at one or more targets. Quick bursts to put just enough firepower where it needs to go ... and no more. You can do a lot with a little ammo ... like that. Prefers2Lurk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 I think the firepower might slow your bike down, if not skew it to one side, be tough to control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 GM6 Lynx .50BMG bullpup semiautomatic rifle with awesome full-barrel recoil that looks painful to shoot Prefers2Lurk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 No thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 That open block looks like a nightmare to keep clean, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 I think a cover may have been removed for the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 The trick with the minigun on the motorcycle is to squeeze off about 1/3 second of brrrrp at targets. It should be more than enough to force control rolls in your targets while the motorcycle dextrously maneuvers around larger vehicles sidelined by its fire to their tires, through windshields, etc. i.e. No long brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp, but something more like well-aimed, short burst brrrp brrrp brrrp's at one or more targets. Quick bursts to put just enough firepower where it needs to go ... and no more. You can do a lot with a little ammo ... like that. Make it in .22 magnum so you can carry thousands of rounds. At 2000+ rpm cars could be cut in half, and recoil should not be problematic. Make a two stage trigger wit two rates of fire. 600 or so then as it comes on target, pull into second stage and jump up to 2 or 3 k rpm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 GM6 Lynx .50BMG bullpup semiautomatic rifle with awesome full-barrel recoil that looks painful to shoot Long recoil is good for reducing peak recoil impulse. FN was working on a shoulder fired 40mm x53mm hv weapon some years ago, and earlier a 76mms weapon Iirc called samourai that didn't catch on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Yeah, judging by how that guy gets shoved around by the gun, it doesn't look too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DusterBoy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Thank God for that reciprocating barrel, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 I'm not sure what its meant for though...If I wanted a monster sized shoulder arm, the M60 fits the bill, is proven, and Might even be lighter. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 It's listed as an anti-material rifle. I expect that a .50 cal will punch a lot harder than even a burst of .30 cal in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 True that, but why shoulder mounted then...I guess they're just showing off. But with the huge signature of a .50 you need to be Waaaay far away to avoid giving your posistion. Sooo not likely that you'd be shoulder firing. Hopefully it'l come in a number of calibers, so it can be chosen for a specific job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Aside from .50 BMG, what other caliber would you want for man-shoulderable, man-fireable, anti-material uses? .408 Cheytac, .416 Barrett, .50 Russian (i.e. 12.7x108mm), and 14.5x114mm Russian are about all I can think of. Any smaller than those I just mentioned and you're out of the man-shoulderable, man-fireable, anti-material category ... and into anti-personnel rounds. Meanwhile, any bigger starts to put you up close to auto-cannon rounds that tend to be fired from emplaced or crew-served weapons instead of man-shoulderable, man-fireable weapons. Frankly, about the only reason I could see wanting a .408 Cheytac or .416 Barrett in lieu of a .50BMG ... is if you're trapped in the People's Republic of Californiastan ... where ownership of rifles chambered for .50BMG is illegal ... while those chambered for .416 Barrett or .408 Cheytac are, I believe, legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Well you can fit a lot more fancy stuff in a 50 cal bullet, so you could make interesting variant rounds like explosive, flechette, incendiary, flash, armor piercing, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Aside from .50 BMG, what other caliber would you want for man-shoulderable, man-fireable, anti-material uses? .408 Cheytac, .416 Barrett, .50 Russian (i.e. 12.7x108mm), and 14.5x114mm Russian are about all I can think of. Any smaller than those I just mentioned and you're out of the man-shoulderable, man-fireable, anti-material category ... and into anti-personnel rounds. Meanwhile, any bigger starts to put you up close to auto-cannon rounds that tend to be fired from emplaced or crew-served weapons instead of man-shoulderable, man-fireable weapons. Frankly, about the only reason I could see wanting a .408 Cheytac or .416 Barrett in lieu of a .50BMG ... is if you're trapped in the People's Republic of Californiastan ... where ownership of rifles chambered for .50BMG is illegal ... while those chambered for .416 Barrett or .408 Cheytac are, I believe, legal. Well I think a Lapua could work real well, a "holy grail" of sniping is a reliable follow on shot...with a lighter caliber you Might be able to have a 2 shot select option...? Well you can fit a lot more fancy stuff in a 50 cal bullet, so you could make interesting variant rounds like explosive, flechette, incendiary, flash, armor piercing, etc. True that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Well I think a Lapua could work real well, a "holy grail" of sniping is a reliable follow on shot...with a lighter caliber you Might be able to have a 2 shot select option...? True that... .338 Lapua is an anti-personnel round, not an anti-material round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 .338 Lapua is an anti-personnel round, not an anti-material round... Well...yes...? Sniping is normally anti-personnel, and for long range work, .50 is used.... and with a full barrel recoil system, you might eliminate enough kick for a fast follow on shot. I think I don't understand what you're saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Aside from .50 BMG, what other caliber would you want for man-shoulderable, man-fireable, anti-material uses? .408 Cheytac, .416 Barrett, .50 Russian (i.e. 12.7x108mm), and 14.5x114mm Russian are about all I can think of. Any smaller than those I just mentioned and you're out of the man-shoulderable, man-fireable, anti-material category ... and into anti-personnel rounds. Meanwhile, any bigger starts to put you up close to auto-cannon rounds that tend to be fired from emplaced or crew-served weapons instead of man-shoulderable, man-fireable weapons. Frankly, about the only reason I could see wanting a .408 Cheytac or .416 Barrett in lieu of a .50BMG ... is if you're trapped in the People's Republic of Californiastan ... where ownership of rifles chambered for .50BMG is illegal ... while those chambered for .416 Barrett or .408 Cheytac are, I believe, legal. You could probably devise an ultralight recoilless rifle. The 57mm weighed about 50 pounds. A 40mm shoulder fired recoilless rifle might be remotely plausible. Whether you could give it a magazine is another question. 20mm autocannon with gas and spring recoil reduction might lower recoil up to 90%, but it would still be pretty daunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Well...yes...? Sniping is normally anti-personnel, and for long range work, .50 is used.... and with a full barrel recoil system, you might eliminate enough kick for a fast follow on shot. I think I don't understand what you're saying... The full barrel recoil system to which we are referring was CLEARLY employed to make that .50BMG platform man-shoulderable and man-fireable; nothing more. If you think about it, that system makes little practical sense, since no sane, long-range shooter will use it to take long range shots from an unsupported, standing position with a shouldered rifle -- because too much accuracy is lost in a standing/unsupported, shouldered position. Thus, the moment you put that platform down on the ground to get support from a bipod, you might as well have simply had a bipod and brake combination ... and a simpler platform that is less prone to failures thanks to reduced complexity. With that in mind, I feel a full barrel recoil system on a .338 Lapua platform is even more of a solution in search of a problem, as there just isn't that much recoil to mitigate with .338 Lapua. In case you doubt my 'solution in search of a problem' assertion, here's a youth shooting a suppressed .338 Lapua rifle with a bipod. Do you see any need for a full barrel recoil system on that rifle?? (I sure don't!) Do you think follow-up shots are a problem on that rifle? (I sure don't!) Change the platform from a bolt gun to a semi-auto and you'll have quicker follow-up. Eliminate the suppressor and use a brake, and it's still VERY tame compared to .50BMG... (For reference: .338 Lapua produces only ~3 times the recoil of a 7mm REM MAG, which is quite manageable. .50 BMG produces a bit more than ~6 times the recoil of .338 Lapua ... i.e. ~18 times the recoil of 7mm REM MAG.) Prefers2Lurk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I think some gun platforms are done as an experiment: could I do this, and how would it be done? But once its done, sometimes they can be more useful or have applications you'd not considered in design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrealone Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I think some gun platforms are done as an experiment: could I do this, and how would it be done? But once its done, sometimes they can be more useful or have applications you'd not considered in design. Agreed. In this case, I think someone just wanted bragging rights for a man-shoulderable, man-fireable .50BMG for 'mine's bigger' type comparisons. I say that because I just don't see a practical military uses for that .50 BMG platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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