The Sun Rises

[Gnaskar]

In their latest attempt to prove me wrong when I said "HERO System can do anything", one of my players asked for the power to make dawn come. After a short discussion where everything from Telekinetic rotating the planet to Images was considered. I didn't have a lot of time took discuss it with him, however, as helping a dozen new players build their characters with only one copy of 6E1 and the basic rulebook takes some effort.

 

In an attempt to make a rarely useful power not cost him an arm and a leg, I looked at the problem from a different angle. I stated up the night as a Change Environment (-4 to Normal Sight) with mega area. Then I told him to buy his Dawn power as a Dispel with enough dice to dispel it.

 

My questions: Is this thinking too far outside the box? And is there an easier way we've overlooked?

[Greywind]

Re: The Sun Rises

 

From another PoV you could look at it as a mind/emotion control power that affects the pleasure center of Dawn's brain.

[Escafarc]

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EDM would work for this.

[Escafarc]

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From another PoV you could look at it as a mind/emotion control power that affects the pleasure center of Dawn's brain.

 

You would need to do a Multi-Attack or Autofire 2 or Area Effect Selective to get both of them

 

[yamamura]

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EDM would work for this.

 

Yea I was basically thinking Time Travel. Especially if you limit it to an area.

[Ockham's Spoon]

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It depends on the exact effect you want. If you want morning to come sooner, then EDM through time is the ticket. If you just want a "sunlight to destroy vampires" power that ends when you stop paying END, then Change Environment is probably the easiest way to go. If you want the House of the Rising Sun, then look up The Animals on itunes.

[Nevenall]

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The principle to apply here is reasoning from effect. Making the Dawn Come is the special effect of a power that affects the game somehow, like a spell to create light.

You mentioned that the power would be rarely useful, which says to me that it won't really have any effect on the game, which means that, really, it shouldn't cost anything at all. If it's appropriate to the campaign I'd let the character do it for free. Or maybe charge 1 point.

[Clonus]

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I wouldn't let you Dispel a natural phenomenon like that. But I would let you define early day as a really big Change Environment.

[Enforcer84]

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They have a similar power in the old 5th Ed Ultimate Powers Guide. Images (Light only) Megascale.

[CrosshairCollie]

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Just hold your action. It'll happen.

[Ice9]

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It depends on the larger effect, to some extent. What happens when the character uses this ability?

A) The world spins faster for a short time (or is instantly in a different orientation). Everybody's clocks are now out of sync with the day/night cycle.

The immediate area is sent forward through time until it would be daylight.

C) Incoming sunlight is warped out of its normal path to shine on the immediate area (or the whole world).

 

For C, a Megascale Change Environment (or maybe Images). For B, I'm thinking AoE EDM (forwards in time). In both these cases, I'd allow a fairly large "niche effect" limitation to put the cost where it should be.

For A, I'm not really sure, and I think there would be complications from using such a power.

[Badger]

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JUst smack your friend with the HERO system rulesbook.

[Escafarc]

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JUst smack your friend with the HERO system rulesbook.

 

I guest that's one way to make someone see stars:)

[Hermit]

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You know, if you linked it to something else , we'd have a situation of "The Sun Also Rises"

[BobGreenwade]

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It depends on the larger effect, to some extent. What happens when the character uses this ability?

A) The world spins faster for a short time (or is instantly in a different orientation). Everybody's clocks are now out of sync with the day/night cycle.

The immediate area is sent forward through time until it would be daylight.

C) Incoming sunlight is warped out of its normal path to shine on the immediate area (or the whole world).

 

For C, a Megascale Change Environment (or maybe Images). For B, I'm thinking AoE EDM (forwards in time). In both these cases, I'd allow a fairly large "niche effect" limitation to put the cost where it should be.

For A, I'm not really sure, and I think there would be complications from using such a power.

This is precisely my own line of thought.

You know' date=' if you linked it to something else , we'd have a situation of "The Sun Also Rises" [/quote']I'd actually been considering Summon Ernest Hemingway as an option (at least, a better one than the Tony Orlando gag).

[Narf the Mouse]

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See? Of course you can build it in Hero!

[Lucius]

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The damaging effects of the sun, sunburn and skin cancer and so forth, are too slow or slight to count as a combat power (except maybe with vampires) and as useful and important as sunlight is to photosynthesis and other biological processes, the main in game effect is that characters with normal Sight can see easily. So it seems logical to build it from the Power that allows specifically that; that lets characters see as if it were daylight (in this case, because it is.)

 

 

Summon the Sun: Nightvision, 1 Continuing Charge lasting 12 Hours (approximate, depends on time of year and latitude) (-0), Area Of Effect (1m Radius; +1/4), Usable Simultaneously ( +1/2), MegaScale (1m = 100,000 km; +2 1/4), Cannot alter scale (-1/4) (19 Active Points); Window of Opportunity Once/day; window remains open 1-2 minutes (can only be used at a time approximately halfway from midnight to noon; specifics depend on time of year and latitude) (-1), Perceivable (-1/2), Concentration (0 DCV; -1/2), Incantations ("Behold the Sun, the Giver of Life") (-1/4), Gestures (facing East of course) (-1/4) Real Cost: 5

 

I use Usable Simultaneously rather than Usable as Attack because any individual can always refuse the benefit of the power by closing their eyes.

 

Sure, some people might snicker at a power that causes the sun to rise on schedule. Try forgoing it a few days and see how they like stumbling around in the dark! They'll beg you to use your power again – if they can find you.

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary points out the inconvenient fact that if more than one person on the continent has this power, any one of them forgoing its use isn't going to make a difference....you'd need to form a union if you want to go on strike.

[Matt Holck]

Re: The Sun Rises

 

teleport 0" position shift extra-mass (the earth)

[Narf the Mouse]

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teleport 0" position shift extra-mass (the earth)

5,974,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg of mass.

[Matt Holck]

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0y

 

6 X 10^24 ~= 2^83

if doubling is 5 point adder that's 415 points.

 

One could go with teleport AofE with the +1/4 advantages for increased area

 

what's the adder for position shift?

[Narf the Mouse]

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0y

 

6 X 10^24 ~= 2^83

if doubling is 5 point adder that's 415 points.

 

One could go with teleport AofE with the +1/4 advantages for increased area

 

what's the adder for position shift?

+5.

It's probably not quite that much for doubling; "x2 Mass" is based on the characters mass, right?

[Matt Holck]

Re: The Sun Rises

 

right

I started a 1 kg instead of 100 kg (the standard weight of a character in hero)

so

6 X 10^24 ~= 100*2^76

thus 76 doublings by mass

 

 

well

for a 5 point base

5 teleport 0 m position shift

5 usable against others +1 advantage

5 area of effect +1 advantage 1 m radius

 

now

radius of earth = 6 .3781 * 10^6 m ~= 2^23

so 23 doublings of the radius should cover the earth

 

since each doubling is a 1/4 advantage on a base 5 point position shift power

23 doublings is a +5.75 advantage and costs 29 points

 

for a 5 point base

5 teleport 0 m position shift

5 usable against others +1 advantage

5 area of effect +1 advantage 1 m radius

29 23 radius doublings (radius of earth)

49 Points

[Narf the Mouse]

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Usable As Attack on Teleport is +1 1/4.

 

But yeah, awesome.

[Gnaskar]

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teleport 0" position shift extra-mass (the earth)

JUst smack your friend with the HERO system rulesbook.

I'm probably going to end up using one of these two options. Not sure which yet.