Daylight savings time?

[Bazza]

15 minutes ago, mrinku said:

 

Smirk all you like, you tropical bastard

 

I get overtime out of it, so I can't complain. And my own latitude (42 degrees south) seems to pretty much in the DST sweet spot.

 

These days the best argument is probably environmental. Maximising natural light does cut down on power usage.

 

Whereabouts are you located? 

[mrinku]

Hobart. Not too many other places at our latitude in Oz. You could have used a map

[Bazza]

A map of Tasmania? Is that like Tas + mania? 

[mrinku]

Heard 'em all Bazza. Heard 'em all.

[Badger]

15 hours ago, Simon said:

I'm curious how closely opinions on DST track with one's latitude.  Up here in the Great White Nort (ok...I'm not _that_ far north), it's rather nice when daylight savings rolls around in the fall -- I'm no longer getting up before the break of dawn.  There's a definite mental advantage there.

 

Well, working 2nd shift, I get up and go to work in the afternoon daylight, and I leave work after dark regardless of year.  So it doesn't matter

 

 

Well, on Fridays I get to leave earlier (8-9 pm depending).  So, for about 8 Fridays a year I get to drive home at dusk

[Tech priest support]

JOOC, does any country besides america use DST?

[Cancer]

More or less all of Europe uses it, of that I'm certain, and parts of Australia does as well.  I don't know past that.

[mrinku]

The southeastern states of Australia all use it (Tasmania, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia). Queensland and the Northern Territory don't because they're too far north for it to matter (tropical latitudes) and Western Australia (which could go either way as it has both tropical and temperate latitudes) chooses not to.

[assault]

Queensland doesn't use it because it fades the curtains and frightens the sheep. Or something like that.

 

OK, I live in the south east of Queensland, and was a computer dude for a company that operated nationwide. The time difference meant that there was an extra hour between the system crashing in the early hours of the morning and me coming into work to fix it up. I'm a supporter of DST to the extent that Queensland needs to be on the same time zone as the rest of the east coast states of Australia. (The Australian Capital Territory (Canberra) exists in its own space-time anyway, so I didn't need to say "states and territories".)

 

There are some legitimate reasons in the tropics, but for most of Queensland the argument against is a load of instinctive rejection of change.

[Badger]

Ahhh!!  It's 1am again, I'm in Groundhog's Day

 

 

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Tech priest support]

I'm kinda torn in DST. On one hand it was invented by ben franklin who was one of the greatest minds in human history. On the other in modern times and with modern technology is it still necessary?

 

[Lord Liaden]

On 11/3/2017 at 2:11 AM, Tech priest support said:

JOOC, does any country besides america use DST?

 

Daylight saving time (DST) is observed in all Canadian provinces, with the exception of most of Saskatchewan, which observes Central Standard Time year-round even though it is in the Mountain Zone, effectively putting it on DST year-round. Under the Canadian Constitution, laws related to timekeeping are a purely provincial matter.

 

Most of British Columbia (BC) is on Pacific Time and observes DST. However, there are two main exceptions:

Part of the Peace River Regional District of BC (including the communities of Chetwynd, Dawson Creek, Hudson's Hope, Fort St. John, Taylor and Tumbler Ridge) is on Mountain Time and does not observe DST. This means that the region's clocks are the same as those in Calgary and Edmonton in the winter, they are the same as those in Vancouver in the summer. The residents of Fort Nelson have voted to also stay on year-round MST since 2015.

 

The East Kootenay region of south-eastern BC (including the communities of Cranbrook, Fernie, Golden and Invermere) is on Mountain Time and observes DST. This means that the region is always on the same time as Calgary; much of the region gets television by way of rebroadcasters of Calgary stations. One exception in this region is Creston, which observes MST year round. Clocks in Creston match those in Calgary in the winter, and Vancouver in the summer.

 

While the rest of Nunavut observes DST, Southampton Island including Coral Harbour remain on Eastern Standard Time throughout the year. The Kitikmeot Region including Cambridge Bay observes DST but is on Mountain Time.

 

Most of Ontario uses DST. Pickle Lake, Atikokan and New Osnaburgh, three communities located within the Central Time Zone in northwestern Ontario, observe Eastern Standard Time all year long.

 

Most of Quebec observes DST. However, the eastern reaches of Quebec's North Shore, east of 63° west longitude, are in the Atlantic Time Zone, but do not observe DST (see exception, below). The effect is that in summer their clocks match those of the rest of the province, while in November, their clocks are rejoined by their Atlantic Standard Time neighbours. Although places east of 63° west are officially on Atlantic Time, local custom is to use Eastern Time as far east as the Natashquan River. Those communities observe DST, including all of Anticosti Island, which is bisected by the 63rd meridian. The Magdalen Islands observe Atlantic Time including DST.

 

Although the entire province of Saskatchewan is geographically within the MST zone, the province is officially part of the Central time zone. As a result, while most of Saskatchewan does not change clocks spring and fall, it technically observes DST year round. This means that clocks in most of the province match clocks in Winnipeg during the winter and Calgary and Edmonton during the summer. This time zone designation was implemented in 1966, when the Saskatchewan Time Act was passed in order to standardize time province-wide.

 

The charter of the city of Lloydminster, which is bisected by the Saskatchewan–Alberta boundary, gives it a special exemption. Lloydminster and the immediately surrounding region in Saskatchewan observe Mountain Time year-round, with officially sanctioned seasonal daylight saving time (which in the summer, puts it in sync with the rest of Saskatchewan). This is to keep clocks on the Saskatchewan side in sync with those on the Alberta side; Alberta mandates the use of daylight saving time province-wide. Along the Manitoba border, the small, remote Saskatchewan towns of Denare Beach and Creighton unofficially observe Central Daylight Time during the summer, thereby keeping the same time as larger neighbouring Manitoba communities.

 

[Transcribed from Wikipedia.]

 

[Badger]

Yeah, I try not to think about Ben Franklin inventing that.  I don't want to be cursing his name every spring.

[Lord Liaden]

I'm an old curmudgeon who used to be a young curmudgeon. I don't like change generally. But I'm also pretty fatalistic, so I just put up with DST, albeit with some grumbling. If they change it again I'll probably grumblingly put up with that too.

[L. Marcus]

Sweden observes DST, thought heaven knows why. We're as arctic as anyone -- we occupy roughly the same latitudes as Alaska.

[Starlord]

Is it possible to observe fall DST every weekend?  If so, that gets my vote. 

 

Anyway, I find it interesting that you see all these reminders, "Don't forget to turn your clocks back!"  How soon will this phrase become obsolete when nearly every timekeeping source I own sets itself back? 

[Badger]

Yeah, most do, my car's clock doesn't, but I don't change it.  It's either 2 hrs 40 min off or 1 hr 40 min off depending on time of year.  In general I only need to know the minutes, I usually know what hour it is.

[Lord Liaden]

My clocks aren't Internet-enabled or self-updating. I use an analogue wristwatch. So I appreciate the notice. Yes, my devices are old, but they still work and do what I want them to, so until that changes I don't feel a need to spend money on new ones.

[Bazza]

All my watches & clocks already auto-update...I must be living in the future. 

 

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[Ternaugh]

Some of my watches will auto-update, but I'll have to manually change most of the clocks in the house.

[Cancer]

6 hours ago, Starlord said:

Is it possible to observe fall DST every weekend?  If so, that gets my vote. 

 

Anyway, I find it interesting that you see all these reminders, "Don't forget to turn your clocks back!"  How soon will this phrase become obsolete when nearly every timekeeping source I own sets itself back? 

 

* Cancer protectively hugs his non-contentious, manually set old clock *

[Tech priest support]

10 hours ago, Badger said:

Yeah, I try not to think about Ben Franklin inventing that.  I don't want to be cursing his name every spring.

At the time franklin invented it,  DST was well founded and logical.

[Lord Liaden]

A lot of things which now seem arcane and illogical, made good sense at the time they were invented. But too many people consider things that have been around a long time to be either automatically sacred or automatically obsolete.

[Old Man]

As something that has been around a long time, I'm pulling for "automatically sacred".

[Ternaugh]

Oh, that dry wit!

 

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