zombietots Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 I have most of the 6E books now and I have looked around, but I can't find her. She was in every edition (Even 5th). So why did she not make the threshhold into 6E? or am I looking in the wrong place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 She was bairly in 5ed. In 6ed, she was replaced by Snowblind, who is a blind Ice manipulator. In you really want to see Icicke, look into Heroic Publishing (the real reason why sh no longer appears. She is caught in the Great Denins Mahony debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 She's in the freezer cooling her heels. Derek Hiemforth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombietots Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 Haaaa. I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 As far as I know... Pre 4ed: I think she was in the VIPER"s Nest training adventure, with a good/bad thing. Heroic Graphics: Was Icestar's kleptomaniac little sister trying to reform herself. 4ed: Had a writeup in Champions 4ed. Was written before Dennis Mahony declared that he can run the characters quite better than the original creators. Then in the deluxe Champions book, Icicle was gender swapped and renamed Frostbite. Note: statewide, Frostbite was exactly the same as Icicle. Champions the New Generation: Icicle was brought in as the niece of Freon. Beyond that... Champions 5ed and 6ed: Became Snowblind, who is basically Icicle with darkness (area of blowing snow) and Radar Sense. Oh, and she is blind. zombietots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 I like the klepto little sister angle, makes for good storylines and ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombietots Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 Thanks steriaca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 Icicle goes back to at least the sample villains from the core Champs book for Second Edition, the first one I picked up. Dennis Mallonee got the rights to the character from her creator for his Heroic Publishing comics, and connected her to the hero Icestar (which may or may not have been her creator's backstory for her -- it wasn't mentioned in Hero Games publications). Hero Games thought they had the rights to Icicle, which is why she appeared for 5E in Conquerors, Killers, And Crooks. Snowblind first appeared in the 5E villain compendium, Evil Unleashed. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombietots Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 She goes back to 1st edition. She is actually in the 5th edition core Champions book page 201, not CK&C 😀(Not trying to be that guy.) assault and Duke Bushido 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 And yet you were. Thanks for the correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 There is a lot of stuff we can do using Icicle as a base. Icicle with ice armor and HKA = a new Frostbite. Icicle with no range entangle damage shield trigger when touch = Snow Maid. Icicle with major transformation (person to ice sculpture) = whatever snow goddess of legend you wish. Icicle with a teleportation, NND cold Damage Shield triggered when touched, and some mystical stuff with cold and ice = Jane Frost, sister to the legendary ice farie Jack Frost. Or even Jack himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjack Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 I just thought of the casting of a slender young woman with long brown hair who plays the bratty, younger sister of the hero who also had a problem with kleptomania .....Michelle Trachtenberg of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. rjd59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 There was also Kryogen in the 4e book Enemies for Hire. He was the son of Icicle and Starburst, aging at an accelerated rate, so that he's currently a child who looks like an adult. His parents were kidnapped by a villain and he started working with Crusader (who is apparently Icicle's cousin) to pretend to be a villain in order to infiltrate the underworld and try to find his parents. Crusader then died in the events described in Underworld Enemies, leaving him alone and stuck with everyone thinking he's a villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Tjack said: I just thought of the casting of a slender young woman with long brown hair who plays the bratty, younger sister of the hero who also had a problem with kleptomania .....Michelle Trachtenberg of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Her whole reason for being a thief is because she was born poor and thus wants to live life in the best highest lifestyle possible and she has a little brother that she was taking care of. I believe that she was escaping an abusive father who hated her because she was a mutant. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 31 minutes ago, starblaze said: Her whole reason for being a thief is because she was born poor and thus wants to live life in the best highest lifestyle possible and she has a little brother that she was taking care of. I believe that she was escaping an abusive father who hated her because she was a mutant. This is why I would use her as a niece rather than a sister. When she was given a civilian name it was Christine Saunders. Crusader's name was Sam Saunders. In a superheroic world, this is not a coincidence. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 Ah. I didn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 The names were canonical for 3e and 4e. The "not a coincidence" bit is my speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted June 27, 2021 Report Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, assault said: The names were canonical for 3e and 4e. The "not a coincidence" bit is my speculation. It was probably a retcon, but like I mentioned in my post, Enemies for Hire made them cousins. assault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjack Posted June 27, 2021 Report Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, starblaze said: Her whole reason for being a thief is because she was born poor and thus wants to live life in the best highest lifestyle possible and she has a little brother that she was taking care of. I believe that she was escaping an abusive father who hated her because she was a mutant. I have nothing against the character Icicle. You may not be familiar with the show but on BtVS the character Dawn Summers went through a shoplifting phase as a teenage girl’s cry for attention. She also cut herself one time, but that was for a specific purpose. The program was very big on taking tropes of teen and college life and giving them a mystical/ horror bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Big Buffy fan, I remember that it was basically Dawn dealing with Joyce, her mother dying and not handling it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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