unclevlad Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 After an emergency exit does its own exit...?? For me, right now? NO. At least not until they figure out the root cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Yikers! https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alaska-airlines-emergency-landing-window-blows-out_n_6598d80ee4b0f9f6621cc573?93l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 That's not supposed to happen, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich McGee Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Was there anyone on board that Putin's mad at? But seriously, no deaths at least. That's a silver lining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 I flew on 737 Maxes in September. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 I posted this in the Extra ! Extra ! Extra ! thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 Quality control issues? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-finds-bolts-need-tightening-inspections-door-plugs-grounded-boe-rcna132879 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Ternaugh said: Quality control issues? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-finds-bolts-need-tightening-inspections-door-plugs-grounded-boe-rcna132879 Management issues. Boeing management has been cheaping out on anything they can, especially staffing. That's why they're starting to have issues like leaving tools behind in fuel tanks during construction. Even the original MCAS issue could have been avoided with a training program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 Another potential issue is later mods by third parties. I suspect, tho, that Old Man may be right. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 Almost certainly the latter. When McDonnell-Douglass bought Boeing with Boeing's money, the business-type sleazebags took over, and imposed their version of management (which had nearly taken McD-D down the toilet in the first place). And that version is: you don't have to know anything to manage, you just have to push people around and make them do what you say, simply because you say it. This is in direct opposition to the old core of Boeing, which was solidly in the Build Airplanes Right camp. Nothing shows this as clearly as the 787 fiasco, and I know a now-retired Boeing engineer who was on that project and all but predicted the outcome. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 Oh hey, there's also a recurring issue with missing nuts and washers on rudder linkages in South Asian 737 MAX-8s. Fortunately it's not the kind of thing that causes instant death if it comes loose, but it does speak to ongoing QC issues with newly produced aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 And things might be getting uglier. From NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/business/faa-boeing-737-boeing-max-investigation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.M00.Yydy.CPBMKcMpfaEs&smid=url-share Quote The Federal Aviation Administration on Thursday said it had opened an investigation into whether Boeing failed to ensure that its 737 Max 9 plane was safe and manufactured to match the design approved by the agency. The F.A.A. said the investigation stemmed from the loss of a fuselage panel of a Boeing 737 Max 9 operated by Alaska Airlines shortly after it took off on Friday from Portland, Ore., leaving a hole in the side of the passenger cabin. The plane returned to Portland for an emergency landing. “This incident should have never happened and it cannot happen again,” the agency said. If this is atop the prior mess with the MAX? Wow. Boeing stock's down 10% in the last week, and about 15% overall since mid-December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Boeing was always the negative example in every HR law textbook I had in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 12 Author Report Share Posted January 12 And now there's a class action suit filed against Boeing on behalf of the passengers on the flight. It was only a matter of when. There's also serious allegations here: https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1223936777/a-recent-lawsuit-alleges-excessive-defects-at-boeing-parts-supplier Rich McGee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich McGee Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Hadn't seen that last one. Yeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, unclevlad said: And now there's a class action suit filed against Boeing on behalf of the passengers on the flight. It was only a matter of when. The FAA has launched a formal investigation into the construction practices at Boeing and its subcontractors as they relate to all these recent incidents. This isn't going away any time soon. Maybe it'll force a culture change at Boeing corporate, but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 *sighs* Wheel Falls Off Boeing 757 During Takeoff At Atlanta Airport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 At this point we're slouching into Idiocracy. Mike Judge was only wrong in how long he predicted it would take to get here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 757s haven't been in production for years, so at least that incident is a maintenance issue. Which is not to say that everything is hunky-dory at Boeing. The engineers are starting to talk to the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 25 Author Report Share Posted January 25 On 1/24/2024 at 6:00 PM, Old Man said: 757s haven't been in production for years, so at least that incident is a maintenance issue. Which is not to say that everything is hunky-dory at Boeing. The engineers are starting to talk to the press. Only in a sense. <oops...just realized I had the wrong link, deleted it...> I say "in a sense" because the story states...the plane itself was put into service in 1992...making it 30 years old. Typical...not absolute...lifespan's given as 20-25 years. OK, it's quite likely that planes flew much less frequently during the pandemic, but still... That opens up the question of whether it should still be in the air. And yeah...if that story that Boeing was responsible for the mis-installation...that's putting the entire thing back in Boeing's lap. The problem is, tho...those 757s are nearing their EOLs. What's gonna replace them...new Boeing planes???? But who else *can* replace them? AFAIK Airbus is totally booked up, and there is NO ONE else. Nor is this an area where someone can enter the market easily. That's quite likely a big part of Boeing's problem. They almost *can't* be held accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/05/new-quality-glitch-to-delay-some-boeing-737-max-deliveries.html 50 planes have mis-drilled holes? 50???? And QC found the problem on a HORRIFYINGLY large percentage. Boeing claims it's not a safety issue...but that's also a self-serving statement. Worse, even if true, THAT OFTEN that the construction does not meet standards? Toss the board. The whole bleeping board. This is far too many serious QC issues in too short a period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cowan Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Boeing looks to be trading REP for cash because you can't put good REP on the bounce sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 You would think, but Boeing hasn't been profitable since 2018 so all the MBAing is costing Boeing both REP and cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Time to investigate the Final Solution to the MBA Question, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted February 7 Author Report Share Posted February 7 https://www.npr.org/2024/02/06/1229528737/ntsb-boeing-737-max-9-alaska-airlines-door-plug-missing-bolts Quote In its 19-page report, the NTSB says four bolts that were supposed to hold the door plug in place were not recovered. Nevertheless, investigators say "the observed damage patterns and absence of contact damage" on the door panel and plane itself indicate the four bolts were "missing" before the door plug was ejected from the plane. The door plug was originally installed by contractor Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita, Kan., and then shipped to Boeing's factory in Renton, Wash., for assembly. Once it arrived in Washington, the NTSB says damaged rivets were discovered on the fuselage that required the door plug to be opened for repairs. After that work was completed by Spirit AeroSystems personnel at the Boeing plant, the bolts were not reinstalled, according to photo evidence provided to the NTSB by Boeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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