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Audie Murphy was one of the most decorated soldiers of WW II, winning every award the American military had to offer, plus decorations from France and Belgium. His nearly-superhuman feats of valor were legendary. He appeared in 44 films over 21 years, and died in 1971. Try asking people you meet if they ever heard of him.

I'm not sure we're looking at the same trailers. Yes, there are extended scenes of dawn on the French battlefield dominated with greys and pale blues, which IMHO suits that setting; but the sequences on Themiscyra are sun-drenched, with lots of brilliant white and vivid blue. And I couldn't call the intense yellow light of some other scenes "sepia." Wonder Woman's costume is also far brighter than the desaturated one from Batman vs Superman.
 
Overall I saw a much broader color palette than has prevailed in Zack Snyder's recent DC movies, or Chris Nolan's for that matter. Among the many comments I've heard and read over these two trailers, the presence of more color and light has been one of the things most often noted and applauded.

I believe you nailed it, PG. Steve Trevor in that trailer isn't exaggerating when he called this, "the War to end all wars." That's one of the ways his contemporaries referred to it. They truly believed modern (for them) warfare had grown so terrible, no nation would ever want to wage a major war again. A whole generation of young men was traumatized by the Great War, those who survived it anyway. Patriotism was deeply stained by the petty greed or fear which fueled much of the conflict. Romanticism over war drowned in the mud of the trenches.
 
Diana's commentary at the start of this trailer implies that her own idealism was shattered by her experiences in Man's World, the implicit reason for her long absence from world affairs. WWI works better for that purpose than WWII, which at least in hindsight had a moral dimension. If handled right that also has the potential for a more interesting character story, one we haven't seen before in a superhero movie.

I think it's unlikely that they depict WWI as the morally ambiguous quagmire it was, given that 'Merica vs Germany is so predisposed to be portrayed in American cinema as not ambiguous at all. And there'll be plenty of issues around sexism in the era to bear the slings and arrows of the piece. It would be a delightful surprise if the less than central role of the United States and historical complexity gets a realistic portrayal, rather than a "WWII without Nazi flags, add trench warfare" treatment.

Did you guys notice? Some of the scenes had COLOR! 
 
This could revolutionize the DC movie verse...

A fun exchange from teh bunneh's Lucha Libra game over the weekend.
 
"Don't you find this a little suspicious?
"How so?"
"Every monster we've ever faced all showing up out of nowhere, and then vanishing all at once right when these aliens show up?"
"[scoff] That just means it's Tuesday."
"Yes, but today is Wednesday."
"...My god you're right! Something strange and suspicious is going on! We should investigate!"

A fun exchange from teh bunneh's Lucha Libra game over the weekend.
 
"Don't you find this a little suspicious?
"How so?"
"Every monster we've ever faced all showing up out of nowhere, and then vanishing all at once right when these aliens show up?"
"[scoff] That just means it's Tuesday."
"Yes, but today is Wednesday."
"...My god you're right! Something strange and suspicious is going on! We should investigate!"

Lena Luthor's "I know you'll be there for me when I need you" was in no way ominous and I'm sure won't come back to haunt Kara later.

A fun exchange from teh bunneh's Lucha Libra game over the weekend.
 
"Don't you find this a little suspicious?
"How so?"
"Every monster we've ever faced all showing up out of nowhere, and then vanishing all at once right when these aliens show up?"
"[scoff] That just means it's Tuesday."
"Yes, but today is Wednesday."
"...My god you're right! Something strange and suspicious is going on! We should investigate!"

Yeah, I see what the author was trying to say but the article doesn't convey it very well. Trying to rephrase as generously as possible:
Subcultures that tend to obsess over certain things - sports, geekery, religion, etc - can be off-putting to people not fluent with or not interested in those things. Professions that want to broaden their demographic appeal should be aware of how their cultural norms may be excluding the people they're trying to attract. Both of those are valid points bordering on obvious. But the article could've been better about tying them together and maybe being a tad less preachy.
 
I get your point. But there's a big difference between treating women at a geek convention like they aren't geeky enough, vs treating women in a school or business setting like they aren't geeky enough.
 
I don't think that's what the author was trying to say. There's a fine line between "enjoying my stuff" and "making you feel unwelcome/inferior because you don't enjoy my stuff." But again I concede the author could've made that point better with less finger-wagging.

When you have to explain the joke...

FYI, Vixen (animated) Season 2 is up on the CW Seed.

I found this: Publishing Industry is Overwhelmingly White and Female.
 
 
 
A quick scan doesn't seem to show any editor specific data though.

Can't say as I blame you. I almost didn't finish it myself. They get better, but a lot of the same attitude, that seems to have bothered you, remains.

While I cannot speak for any of the Forumites, I do think this exchange from Supergirl makes a good point--
 
Kara Danvers: [on discovering that Cat dubbed her "Supergirl"] "'Supergirl?' We can't name her that!"
Cat Grant: "We didn't."
Kara: "Right, I'm sorry. It's just, uh... A female superhero. Shouldn't she be called Super... woman?"
Cat: "I'm sorry, darling, I just can't hear you over the loud color of your cheap pants."
Kara: "If we call her 'Supergirl,' something less than what she is, doesn't that make us guilty of, of being anti-feminist? Didn't you say she's the hero?"
Cat: "I'm the hero. I stuck a label on the side of the girl. I branded her. She will forever be linked to CatCo, to the Tribune, to me. And what do you think is so bad about 'Girl?' Huh? I'm a girl. And your boss, and powerful, and rich, and hot and smart. So if you perceive 'Supergirl' as anything less than excellent, isn't the real problem you?"
 
Names and labels can be what a person makes of them.  Take Kara's cousin, for instance.  Before he came along, anyone calling himself--well, you know--would very likely be regarded as trying to set up up as "superior" to regular people, and therefore entitled to rule over them.  But Kal-El turned that on its head by using his powers and abilities not to rule over people, but to help them.  "Superman" became a term of respect and admiration--not a word of which to be wary.
 
Most of the time, anyway.

I have a lot of respect for how Chris Evans has come to understand and embrace the character of Steve Rogers. He famously was very reluctant to take on the multi-year movie commitment at first; but now he clearly loves making these movies, not to mention all the opportunities they opened up for him. When asked in an interview about being willing to continue with the role beyond Infinity War, Evans said, "If Marvel wants me, they got me."
 
RDJ pretty much created this incarnation of Tony Stark through his talent, wit and charisma. Chris Hemsworth embodied Thor from the moment he first appeared on screen. But Evans has gradually grown into Captain America over the course of this franchise. Admittedly, at this point it's hard to imagine someone capturing Cap better. Chris observed about fan reactions to movie Cap: "People are so touched by someone who is selfless, by someone who just wants to do the right thing, with no praise, no agenda, no ego involved." Perhaps in that spirit, he added, "You realize that the role is bigger than you. If it serves the character to pass it on, you pass it on."

Also meant to comment on this after musing on it for a couple days. Seems there's several different factors going on here:
Folks who know the character know WW's whole shtick was originally to be an ambassador for women, so it makes sense to them. To those with only a casual familiarity with the character, it's just "Oh gawd not another damn superhero..." There's a legitimate complaint in there about not doing enough to recognize actual, real-life women doing good stuff, rather than focusing on fictional characters. Seriously, the UN doesn't have better things to do? And lastly, again for those only passingly familiar with the character, as one friend put it: "It's hard to take the character seriously as a strong female role model when the art screams Whack-Off Material For Dudes." (And yes, as a comics nerd I can go on at length about the historical context, and as a straight dude myself I don't exactly mind a little cheesecake. But let's not pretend it doesn't color other people's perceptions of the character, and of comics in general.)

Interesting. (And points for linking a fivethirtyeight article about something other than politics!) My first thought was to wonder is YA titles were disproportionately represented, but of course the statistics geeks at 538 would think of that and correct for it.
 
I found it interesting that books with Girl in the title were overwhelmingly written by women (79%-21%). But of course as the article also points out, most authors don't get final say on their titles, which could mean the G word is being inserted by male editors & publishers.
 
I still remember when Ms. Marvel joined the Avengers back in 1978(ish?) and the Wasp welcomed her with something like "Nice to have another girl on the team," and Carol replied with something like "I haven't been a girl in a long time, but I appreciate the sentiment." It wasn't portrayed as some big deal, just a recognition that some women see "girl" as acceptable and even empowering, while many others feel the opposite. Helped highlight the two characters' different personalities without making one of them "wrong." But it does sometimes seem odd that we're still having the same conversation today. See Supergirl's premiere episode, where Kara & Kat have a not-dissimilar exchange.
 
Forum ladies? I'm curious what your feelings are on the G word? Empowering, or belittling, or bit of both?

I'm well aware of him. The name remains lame, hence the joke.

Top was entirely the wrong name for that villainess.  Given her powers there was one perfect name for her--Countess Vertigo.

Plus someone has to be Doctor Alchemy.

My wife & I re-watched the first season of WKRP In Cincinnati. It holds up pretty well today, far better than most sitcoms from that era IMO. The only downside is they didn't retain licensing rights to most of the songs they used in the show, so they had to replace them with utterly generic studio music tracks. The music was such a big part of that show, and it's just not the same without it. According to Wikipedia, there's a later DVD release that managed to restore most of the original music, but that ain't the version I have - so if you're going to pick this up, make sure you get the right one.
 
Speaking of music: fun fact! As a kid, I was always annoyed that we could never make out the lyrics of the closing theme because the station was always talking over it to plug the next show or whatever. Turns out, there aren't really any lyrics! Apparently the musician originally recorded a bunch of nonsensical mushmouth half-words as a placeholder, but the show runner thought it was funny and kept it as a bit of satire. Who knew?

Mary Tyler Moore was known for the Dick Van Dyke show in the mid-60s

And hey, if my parents named me "Snapper" I'd probably turn out to be a dick too.

Yeah, I own and enjoy guns, but the level of Gun Porn - there's really no other term for it, particularly in the first book - was honestly embarrassing.